Proof the U.S. Government uses Admiralty & Maritime Law on Citizens! , page 1
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Topic started on 9-3-2010 @ 11:33 AM by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Proof the U.S. Government uses Admiralty & Maritime Law on Citizens!



The topic of U.S. Statutes and whether they are constitutional and binding on us without personal consent has been coming up more and more lately on ATS.

Many of us contend that the U.S. Statutes are nothing but contract law based on maritime and admiralty law, on captains law that we are tricked into consenting to by various purposefully deceptive means.

A lot of members scoff at this but this morning while reading the Miami Herald and an article about Ben Novack the son of the founder of the legendary Fontainebleau Hotel in Miami Beach whose recent murder is still being investigated turned up a startling admission by the FBI that they are in fact using Maritime and Admiralty Statutes to confiscate property from his estate to keep it out of the hands of his widow who is a person of interest in the murder.

Why would a Federal Judge be using Maritime and Admiralty Statutes and ordering the FBI to seize assets under them when the case involves no international elements or travel by sea?


The FBI is using a maritime and admiralty statute as the basis for its effort to seize the following property: a 1957 Ford Thunderbird; a 1962 Ford two-door coupe; a 1970 Jaguar XKE, Series II; a 2004 Cadillac Escalade; a 35-foot barge with two-level wood deck, and the Batmobile, which was crafted from a 1977 Lincoln. The list includes 14 other items that were redacted from the court document


MiamiHerald.com

This is a very bold display of how maritime and admiralty statutes are used to circumvent constitutional law and practices.

And in August, she entered her husband's safe deposit boxes, according to a sworn deposition given by a Bank of America vice president. When the vice president pointed out that Narcy Novack's name wasn't on the account, Novack promised to return later in the day to have her husband add her name, and was allowed access. She didn't mention that her husband was dead.

``You could argue that her walking into the bank to open the security box and telling them that's she's not on the card, and that her husband is home alive on the couch -- clearly, in my opinion, would be some kind of bank fraud,'' said Scott Wagner of Coral Gables, a maritime lawyer and expert on asset seizure.


Are we to believe a Bank of America branch is a ship? That this is the cause, and note how the Herald went to a maritime lawyer to discuss the issue and he just happens to be an expert on asset siezure?

Part of what is stake here of all things is the world’s second largest collection of Batman memorabilia from the sixties TV Show including a working replica of the Bat Mobile.

Is the government simply using these statutes to potentially keep a possible murderess from coming into a fortune from her slain husband, even though she has not been formally charged and accused?

Or is the government blatantly using maritime and admiralty law to seize tens of millions of dollars of rare and vintage cars and one of a kind items for its own enrichment?

One way or the other for those who doubt the fact that Maritime and Admiralty Law is being used by our courts where no maritime or international issue is involved this is proof positive.


reply posted on 9-3-2010 @ 12:12 PM by poedxsoldiervet
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Lol USS Bank of America ROFL....

Good find there, this guns hand in hand with Rainfalls OP about a man getting his guns taking away because he was disgruntled... Isnt that nice the Nanny State is on the rise.


reply posted on 9-3-2010 @ 12:30 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
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post by ProtoplasmicTraveler



Lol USS Bank of America ROFL....

Good find there, this guns hand in hand with Rainfalls OP about a man getting his guns taking away because he was disgruntled... Isnt that nice the Nanny State is on the rise.


Seems more like the Nanny Ship is on the rise! Like our 600,000 codes here in the United States aren't enough they are in fact openly now using Maritime and Admiralty Statutes under the color of Federal Law and openly admitting it!

Thank heavens I am a Pirate!



reply posted on 9-3-2010 @ 01:22 PM by jackflap
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What do they think this is, Gilligan's Island or something? Come to think of it, had I not spent all that time watching TV back then, I would know something about these maritime laws and the legalities of it. Hey, seeing if Gilligan and the crew made it off the island seemed more important than actually trying to learn something back than. Damn you skipper. Mary Ann was hot. Gilligan should be fired out of a circus cannon as a result of dumbing me down.


reply posted on 9-3-2010 @ 01:25 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
The FBI has turned up the heat on Narcy Novack, the widow of slain Fort Lauderdale millionaire Ben Novack Jr., seizing assets from his estate under federal forfeiture laws.


MiamiHerald.com

It is an incredibly clear admission that the Federal Government considers maritime and admiralty statutes to be federal law.

The FBI is using a maritime and admiralty statute as the basis for its effort to seize the following property: a 1957 Ford Thunderbird; a 1962 Ford two-door coupe; a 1970 Jaguar XKE, Series II; a 2004 Cadillac Escalade; a 35-foot barge with two-level wood deck, and the Batmobile, which was crafted from a 1977 Lincoln. The list includes 14 other items that were redacted from the court document


Without one ship, or one sailor, or even an ocean being involved!

Amazing!


reply posted on 9-3-2010 @ 01:44 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Well it sure does not sound like Constitutional Law!

Admiralty law (also referred to as maritime law) is a distinct body of law which governs maritime questions and offenses. It is a body of both domestic law governing maritime activities, and private international law governing the relationships between private entities which operate vessels on the oceans. It deals with matters including marine commerce, marine navigation, shipping, sailors, and the transportation of passengers and goods by sea. Admiralty law also covers many commercial activities, although land based or occurring wholly on land, that are maritime in character.

Admiralty law is distinguished from the Law of the Sea, which is a body of public international law dealing with navigational rights, mineral rights, jurisdiction over coastal waters and international law governing relationships between nations.

Although each legal jurisdiction usually has its own enacted legislation governing maritime matters, admiralty law is characterized by a significant amount of international law developed in recent decades, including numerous multilateral treaties.



In fact it sounds like nothing but a throwback to Roman Law!

Seaborne transport was one of the earliest channels of commerce, and rules for resolving disputes involving maritime trade were developed early in recorded history. Early historical records of these laws include the Rhodian law (of which no primary written specimen has survived, but which is alluded to in other legal texts: Roman and Byzantine legal codes) and later the customs of the Hanseatic League.


Wkiipedia.org

So why is it being used against U.S. Citizens in situations that clearly meet none of the above state criteria?



reply posted on 9-3-2010 @ 02:07 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Originally posted by jackflap
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What do they think this is, Gilligan's Island or something? Come to think of it, had I not spent all that time watching TV back then, I would know something about these maritime laws and the legalities of it. Hey, seeing if Gilligan and the crew made it off the island seemed more important than actually trying to learn something back than. Damn you skipper. Mary Ann was hot. Gilligan should be fired out of a circus cannon as a result of dumbing me down.


I never met Mary Ann but I did meet Ginger! I am so cruel when she introduced herself I said "And what is it you do for a living Tina?"

What this appears to be to me this case and the whole practice of using Maritime and Admiralty Contract Law is a form of modern day proscription.

That ages old practice begun by the Dictator Sulla to replenish Rome's treasury at the expense of political rivals and those not politically connected by either falsely accusing them and exiling and imprisoning and taking their wealth to replenish the treasury or murdering them and taking their wealth.

The Federal Goverment clearly has it's eyes set on the deceased's sizeable fortune and means to take it one way or the other.

Thanks for posting my friend.


reply posted on 9-3-2010 @ 02:24 PM by DeltaChaos
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Ok, the article states that Mrs. Novak had already removed the items from a warehouse and was in current possession of them, so I infer that the FBI is trying to seize them from her, after the fact.

It says that she tried to take a boat as well, implying that she was somehow unsuccessful.

So unless she took the stuff out of the warehouse and then placed them in a conex in a port, it doesn't really make sense.

The article also states that Mr. Novak was beaten to death, then at the bottom it says he was killed execution style. Conflicting information, lack of information - bad article. Need to look at the court documents and/or a some better articles.

Needless to say, federal law enforcement exercises a lot of liberties in taking away our liberties, like they're somehow entitled. I'm sure the there's something in the Patriot Act that makes it all OK - it's a loophole party.



reply posted on 9-3-2010 @ 02:30 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
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It’s a rather bizarre case my friend. At one time many years ago the Novack family was truly Miami Royalty when the Fontainebleau was built and owned by the family before they sold it to the Hilton Hotel Chain.

The family itself has a very colorful past in the Miami area replete with the typical shady business dealings you would expect from a town that has given the nation “Miami Vice” and “Burn Notice” and “CSI Miami” all of which offer real glimpses into the very real third world city/state lifestyle Miami is about.

The truth is there are probably dozens of potential suspects who might have had a reason to kill the Novack heir.

With no next of kin except a politically unconnected wife I think what we are seeing is the government simply wanting to seize the estate at any and all costs including the cost to the constitution that they are clearly trying to circumvent in these actions.

Thanks for posting.


reply posted on 9-3-2010 @ 02:38 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by DeltaChaos



The murder occurred in New Jersey where the decedent was staying at a hotel with his wife. The decedent though kept his primary residence in Ft. Lauderdale and had business ventures headquartered throughout Florida but did business nationally. So there are likely a lot of state borders to cross in tracking down potential suspects as well as identifying all the assets of his estate and liabilities too.

With local law enforcement budgets hampered by a decreasing tax base because of the real estate crisis it makes sense to hand the case off to the FBI especially since they are investigating it along the lines of a murder for hire.

It’s doubtful his wife beat him to death! That’s the kind of thing that could definitely break a nail!
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