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Originally posted by karl 12
Its quite a long read, and it is from one year later, but heres another very interesting multiple radar/visual incident from over South Dakota:
So there's a lot of ground clutter, not a good track, 2 objects instead of one, and I'm left feeling not at all convinced that this is a good solid observation of a ground radar confirmation of the visual sighting due to all these discrepancies. But it gets much worse.
"He could not get a decent track because of ground clutter in the area".
"The last blip occurred at 70 miles and at this point the aircraft was returned to base.(This does not exactly correlate with the pilot's report in paragraph ..)"
But there's no mention of the UFO trailing the pilot in the August 1953 report, just a notation that about the time the first F84 landed and the second F-84 took off, the ground observer called a third time to say the object was back again. So maybe Ruppelt "ASSUMED" the UAP followed the pilot back but can the pilot really see behind them? I didn't think so. And there's no mention of a visual sighting of the object following the pilot back, not any such radar notations, and what's more, the third time the object is right back in its original spot
"The pilot followed it 120 miles, with the light staying a couple miles ahead; and then, with fuel running low, the jet returned - with the UFO trailing him! "
So the first time we had 2 blips instead of one, and not very good blips at that, now we can't find any good blips, but still have ground clutter like the first time. The more this story goes on the less I trust any of these radar observations as any type of confirmation, and if you viewed them as reliable, when they DON'T get a target as in this case, does that then confirm there's NO object in the air? I don't know but at best it's very questionable and unreliable per the facts in the report...
"Nothing was on the scope (there was possibly a target in the ground clutter)."
OK this object is sounding less "real" all the time
"He continued his course keeping the object at 11 oclock for a better view After about 30 seconds it disappeared then reappeared for another 30 seconds at the end of which it abruptly faded and was not seen again"
He was sure the light was no reflection from inside the aircraft but such a jump sounds like a possible reflection from atmospheric phenomena could be the cause.
"He thought it was a star or planet but as he looked away it appeared to "jump" 15 to 20 degrees in elevation.
"As the pilot turned into the light on his initial sighting he turned on his radar gunsight. As he swung onto the target the warning light came on.....The light remained on until the chase was broken off. After the chase, on the way home, the light blinked on and off several times indicating a possible malfunction . The sight was not checked by maintenance on return and had not been checked since. Why, I don't know."
Perhaps it was related to our atomic weapons capability? In 1952, it was pretty much the US, Russia, and (first test that same year), the Brits. This is at least one explanation for the focus...
"The type of UFO reports that are most intriguing are close-range sightings of machine-like objects of unconventional nature and unconventional performance characteristics, seen at low altitudes, and sometimes even on the ground. The general public is entirely unaware of the large number of such reports that are coming from credible witnesses... When one starts searching for such cases, their number are quite astonishing. Also, such sightings appear to be occurring all over the globe."
Dr. James E. McDonald, Senior Physicist at the Institute of Atmospheric Physics at the University of Arizona.
Case 39. Port Huron, Mich., July 29, 1952:
Many of the radar cases for which sighting details are accessible date back to 1953 and preceding years. After 1953, official policies were changed, and it is not easy to secure good information on subsequent cases in most instances.
A radar case in which both ground-radar and airborne radar contact were involved occurred at about 9:40 p.m. CST on 7/29/52. From the official case summary one finds that the unknown was first detected by GCI radar at an Aircraft Control and Warning station in Michigan, and one of three F-94s doing intercept exercises nearby was vectored over towards it. It was initially coming in out of the north, at a speed put at over 600 mph. As the F-94 was observed on the GCI scope to approach the unknown, the latter suddenly executed a 180 degree turn, and headed back north. The F-94 was by then up to 21,000 ft, and the pilot spotted a brilliant multicolored light just as his radarman got a contact. The F-94 followed on a pursuit course for 20 minutes but could never close with the unknown as it continued on its northbound course. At the time of first radar lock on, the F-94 was 20 miles west of Pt. Huron, Mich. The GCI scope revealed the unknown to be changing speed erratically, and at one stage it was evidently moving at a speed of over 1400 mph, according to Menzel, who evidently drew his information from the official files. Ruppelt states that when the jet began to run low on fuel and turned back to its base, GCI observed the unknown blip slow down, and shortly after it was lost from the GCI scope.
Why Aren't UFOs Ever Tracked by Radar?
Memo to the Director of the CIA.
At this time, the reports of incidents convince us that there is something going on that must have immediate attention. The details of some of these incidents have been discussed by AD/SI with DDCI. Sightings of unexplained objects at great altitudes and travelling at high speeds in the vicinity of major U.S. defense installations are of such nature that they are not attributable to natural phenomena or known types of aerial vehicles.
Major Keyhoe archives:
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Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
Yeah, those aliens were hot and heavy back then. Never mind the ignorant and paranoid public, the incpometant government, the cold war, radar technology (and the FOOLS who were stationed at those radars...don't believe me? DO YOUR HOMEWORK)...
In the summer of 1950, during the time of the sightings, .....
I had learned that, on the first day of the Korean War, a flying saucer had appeared in broad daylight, above the city hall across the street from our house, and had maneuvered for fifteen minutes, and that, on the following day, two saucers had appeared, and maneuvered for thirty minutes.
Originally posted by Jocko Flocko
reply to post by ufoorbhunter
TeslaandLyne has been pushing this theory of his since I can remember coming on this board even though there's ZERO scientific evidence to support his claims other than the BIG SCARY "Illuminati" is hiding everything from us and keeping it secret. According to him, every single UFO in history ever documented have been flown by members of this so called "Illuminati" to try and convince the rest of us that we are being visited by ET's.
the Trilateral Commission, in a secret deal cut between the World Bankers and Industrialists, Trilateralists, CFR, Rockefellers and the Nazis, with the U. S. government