The ghost scientists on the Arctic expedition that never happened

The ghost scientists on the Arctic expedition that never happened

canadafreepress.com

The Feb. 6, 2010 expedition of the Amundsen that never happened would be the Global Warming joke of all time were it not for the fact that the Canadian government provided $156 million for the Circumpolar Flaw Lead System study.
“University of Manitoba Prof. David Barber, the lead investigator of the Circumpolar Flaw Lead System study, said the rapid decay of thick Arctic Sea ice highlights the rapid pace of climate change in the North and forecasts what will come in the south.” (Winnipeg Free P

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Perhaps I could ask ATS for some help here. I am rather confused

This link is for a story that appeared in the Winnipeg Free Press in February 5, 2010

www.winnipegfreepress.com...

The link I provided for the story in the Canada Free Press states that the Amundsen icebreaker was on duty in the St. Lawrence River during the winter of 2010. As a matter of fact, checking the Coast Guard website, I found this information:

www.ccg-gcc.gc.ca...

The CCGS Amundsen Goes Home

October 2008 marked the end of a 15- month continuous Arctic expedition for the icebreaker CCGS Amundsen, in support of the IPY’s biggest project. The journey took the icebreaker and its scientists and supernumeraries through Hudson Bay, across the Northwest Passage and into the Beaufort Sea, where it spent the winter. The $40-million mission provided some 200 crew members and scientists with front-row seats in the fastest-changing ecosystem on Earth. Quickly changing ice conditions provided a few close calls for the Amundsen. More multi-year Arctic ice is breaking up into ice floes, clogging passages and making for dangerous navigating conditions."

So there was a study by scientists but it wasn't 300 scientists and it occurred in 2008 to October 2009.

So why is this front page news now - how did the group of scientists grow to 300 and why is there no mention of the study dates in the Winnipeg article.

I wonder if this is a bit of propaganda. To repeat news as if it was new and failing to mention the study dates is rather important. It has grown colder since the 2008 winter season and arctic ice fields have been growing since then.

I wonder if anyone one else has any thoughts on this bit of news and if anyone can find a description of the Amundsen to determine how many bunks it has.


TIRED OF CONTROL FREAKS

canadafreepress.com
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HERESY!!!!!
Bask in the glory of Man Made Global Warming!!!
You Blaspheme!!!!

You better be careful there. The Inquisition is going to pay you a visit.



Sounds like someone is rewritting history to fit their agenda?

I think it is very funny how this story is one of disappearance like Ronald Amundsen to which I think is a very strange story also. I could easily link the two Amundsen stories with intrigue and conspiracy but why do that here. lol good find S&F

[edit on 8/3/2010 by basilray]

Sounds like a disinformation to confuse people who would never check the facts of the matter...claiming that a cruise that cost $156 million never happened.

Exxon has a bad ugly history of this type of disinfo concerning global warming.

The opening sentence highlights the tenor of the whole article.

[edit on 3/9/2010 by iMacFanatic]

Neat Thread, S&F
But what exactly would they be trying to hide by covering that up?
Isn't his ship still there?
Kinda pointless denying stories there is actual proof for...

Several things...

You are supposed to quote the opening paragraph not one from three quarters of the way down the article.

Next the Canada Free Press is not a Canadian publication. It seems to be an American right wing rag aimed at Canada.

Next:

And as Canada Free Press (CFP) reader Jim Vanne points out, the logistics of this fateful Arctic trip are a tad off. The Amundsen has a total complement of 10 officers, 26 enlisted men—and only 26 additional berths: “Presumably this expedition was doubly politically correct, in that not only were these scientists checking global warming, but they must have all been gay, as they were sleeping a dozen per bed. Even better than the gay penguins story!”

Arctic ice breakers are huge...average size of 400 feet with several hundred crew members. They would not be sending anything so small as to only have a 36 man crew into that environment. *

Also

The Feb. 6, 2010 expedition of the Amundsen that never happened...

YET as TiredfoControlFreaks points out the trip in question is supposedly to have ended in Oct. 08

Everything about this article stinks.

* I went to the ship's own website and it says it is 98 meters long and 19 meters wide with a crew of 30 to 40 so I was wrong about the crew size but I was speaking from my time in the Coast Guard...American icebreakers of comparable size have far larger crews.

[edit on 3/9/2010 by iMacFanatic]

CSGS Amundsen..

the capacity to conduct ocean-floor mapping and shallow marine drilling operations;
wet and dry laboratories;
the fast-launch capability to deploy and recover a 7-metre survey boat while steaming at up to 6 knots;
meteorological instruments to enable atmospheric specialists to calibrate satellite images with direct observations along the ship's path;
the ability to take ocean samples in extreme weather conditions through an access hole in the vessel's bottom hull


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[edit on 9-3-2010 by foxhoundone]

What a great example of anti science disinformation!

Anyway, the original story from the Winnipeg Free Press concerns a talk given by Prof. David Barber, in February 2010 at "a student symposium on climate change at FortWhyte Alive". It concerned his involvement with the Circumpolar Flaw Lead System study which actually took place, using the CSGS Amundsen, between Sept 2007 and Aug 2008.

For more details on this very real expedition just check out their website

www.ipy-cfl.ca...

I understand there's even a book available

(Although 300 scientists were involved, I don't think they were all on the Amundsen at the same time! The reference to 'last winter' - ie 2008/9 - may be a journalistic error?)

Do you guys know that a scientific expedition go to collect data and after coming back they will analyze it and some time later they will publish the results, right?

I don't know what this "journalist Judi McLeod" is up to. But she doesn't know a s*** about how science work for sure.

[edit on 9/3/10 by blackcube]

Thanks Guys

It looks to me like both news articles had flaws!

Thank you particularly for the information on the Amundsen! Tried but I couldn't find what I was looking for.


Tired of Control Freaks.

The study was done over 2 or 3 winters. The CBC is reliable...

The study aboard the Canadian Coast Guard research ship Amundsen began in July 2007 and involved 370 scientists from around the world.

...The Circumpolar Flaw Lead study was not only the largest climate study ever undertaken in Canada, Barber said, but the biggest study conducted during the International Polar Year.

The Canadian government provided $156 million in funding for the research during the International Polar Year from 2007-09.

CBC

A quick google found 178,000 related articles - most far more professionally researched and written than the OP.

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Arctic ice melt is faster than thought, ecosystem in peril
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