DEW/Energy Weapons? Holograms? TV Fakery? No Planes at the WTC? -- A 9/11 Disinfo Campaign

a reply to: BlackOp007

I don't see any evidence of what you would see in a plane crash in that image at all.

Since you missed it there, you can catch it here.

It is a fakery and I am absolutely certain on this as are others I know of.

False! You were duped.

a reply to: skyeagle409

I don't see any evidence of what you would see in a plane crash in that image at all.

Your not understanding what he is saying..

a reply to: wildb

Your not understanding what he is saying..

He is not very observant.

a reply to: BlackOp007

And I am 100% certain no commercial jets crashed into the buildings as alleged.

And you are 100% wrong.
For every person you say said no planes you can find 1000 others who saw the planes.
This myth about holo projectors is just plain stupid.
How can any rational person actually believe it.

Because the wreckage was not the correct parts to be the said jetliners and the planes could not have made that manuever. The wreckage pile also was documented and all we saw was a small pile of debris, ie planted evidence. It was shown in a video documented by FEMA and leaked by an individual who fled the country and claims this was an inside job who worked for FEMA. The video also showed President George W. Bush and NY Senator Charles Schuemer in part of it. Obviously I haven't seen more of the videos and it is possible part of the video he has recorded has not even been released to public record.

I know of various people placed on drummed up charges who doubt the official story including a CIA Agent and this FEMA videographer.

The FBI pile of wreckage at the site was minimal and was reminicient of the Shankersville, PA alleged crash where a indentation in the ground was found with a small number of planted evidence as well.

I am shutting this down now since it can go on forever just to prove and point out every specific detail one by one.

We need an independent investigation.

originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: BlackOp007

And I am 100% certain no commercial jets crashed into the buildings as alleged.

And you are 100% wrong.
For every person you say said no planes you can find 1000 others who saw the planes.
This myth about holo projectors is just plain stupid.
How can any rational person actually believe it.

a reply to: BlackOp007

Because the wreckage was not the correct parts to be the said jetliners and the planes could not have made that manuever.

The parts were documented to be the correct parts for each plane.
I saw almost no maneuvering needed for the NYC attacks.
What maneuvering are you talking about?

originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: wildb

Your not understanding what he is saying..

He is not very observant.

Maybe he is, do you understand what he is saying?

a reply to: skyeagle409

In the video posted, listen closely approximately 6:20 through 6:30.

"It's a bomb" is clearly said by either the cameraman or a nearby witness

originally posted by: AgarthaSeed
a reply to: skyeagle409

In the video posted, listen closely approximately 6:20 through 6:30.

"It's a bomb" is clearly said by either the cameraman or a nearby witness

Yep, many people said that..

a reply to: BlackOp007

Because the wreckage was not the correct parts to be the said jetliners and the planes could not have made that manuever.

That is false because I have identified aircraft wreckage as coming from B-767's and B-757's. Once again, you were duped with disinformation that has been used to discredit 9/11 conspiracy theorist.

a reply to: AgarthaSeed

Let's take a look at this video to see if you are right.

It's a bomb" is clearly said by either the cameraman or a nearby witness

Now, let's take a look at what he says, was a bomb.

Photo of Flying Bomb

Apparently, your disinformation was fabricated as proven by that video and photo. With such "no aircraft struck the WTC Towers" claim, It is no mystery as to why the the Truth Movement is a laughingstock of itself.

The FBI pile of wreckage at the site was minimal and was reminicient of the Shankersville, PA alleged crash where a indentation in the ground was found with a small number of planted evidence as well.

Let's take a look at the crash site of Caspian Airlines 7908 and tell us if you see intact aircraft wreckage in the crater.

Photo: Crash Sitel of Caspian Airlines 7908

Let's take a look here.

Text: United Airlines Statement on Plane Crashes

Following is a statement issued by United Airlines on the crash of Flight 93 near Pittsburgh and Flight 175 in a location that was not immediately disclosed:
United Airlines has now confirmed that two of its aircraft have crashed.

— UA 93, a Boeing 757 aircraft, departed from Newark, N.J. at 8:01 a.m. local time, bound for San Francisco, with 38 passengers on board, two pilots, five flight attendants.

— UA 175, a Boeing 767 aircraft, departed from Boston at 7:58 a.m. local time, bound for Los Angeles, with 56 passengers on board, two pilots and seven flight attendants.

United has confirmed it will dispatch a team to Johnstown, Pa., as soon as possible to assist, in every way possible, with the investigation and to provide assistance to the family members.

“Our thoughts are with the passengers, employees and family members of those involved. Today’s events are a tragedy and our prayers are with everyone at this time,” said James E. Goodwin, United’s CEO.

Goodwin said United is working with all the relevant authorities involved in today’s events and will provide further information as soon as it is available.

www.washingtonpost.com...

We can also take a look here.

Another 14 victims of Flight 93 identified

Investigators have positively identified the remains of another 14 persons aboard United Airlines Flight 93 and Somerset County Coroner Wallace Miller said the investigation could conclude more quickly than expected.At the same time, the high winds that buffeted the area over the last few days have dislodged additional airplane parts -- seat cushions, wiring, carpet fragments and pieces of metal -- from trees near the crash site."It's all aircraft parts, no human remains," Miller said. "We've collected them in 10 recycling bin-sized containers and eventually we'll turn them all over to United."

Yesterday's confirmation of victims' identities by the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology DNA lab in Rockville, Md., means that 34 of the 44 people who were aboard the jetliner crashed Sept. 11. have been identified.

911research.wtc7.net...


Flight 93 victims' effects to go back to families

The families of college student Toshiya Kuge of Tokyo and computer specialist Waleska Martinez of Jersey City, N.J., already have claimed some of their remains. Miller said Martinez's family took possession of her remains within weeks of the crash -- she was one of the first victims identified -- and Kuge's did the same before Thanksgiving. Miller identified the last of the bodies Dec. 19. He is still doing DNA tests on additional tissue samples.

old.post-gazette.com...


Seismic Observations on September 11, 2001 and Vertical Seismic Records for United Flight 93 Crash near Shanksville, Pa.

Analysis of Seismic Records for United Airlines Flight 93 Crash near Shanksville, Pa Figure 5 shows seismic record section of vertical-component records from four stations around the United Airlines Flight 93 crash site near Shanksville, Somerset County, Pennsylvania.

The four closest stations range in distance from 92 to 218 km (Table 1). Two minutes of vertical-component seismic records starting from estimated origin time of 14:06:05 (10:06:05 EDT) are plotted.

United Airlines Confirms Loss of United 93

a reply to: BlackOp007

The FBI pile of wreckage at the site was minimal and was reminicient of the Shankersville, PA alleged crash where a indentation in the ground was found with a small number of planted evidence as well.

I am shutting this down now since it can go on forever just to prove and point out every specific detail one by one.

We need an independent investigation.

So you are a aircraft accident investigator...???

Just how many crash scenes you been too??

a reply to: skyeagle409

Look, I'll put it bluntly. You're well aware of the no planes argument points. I could post plenty of videos that clearly demonstrate very valid hypotheses. But, historically those videos don't last long on this forum.

By you showing the footage of planes ( that may or may not be CGI ) hitting the buildings isn't addressing the point. The claim is that they ARE CGI videos and photos, yet you're arguing that by posting the said videos that are suspect.

P2P me if you have anything useful to say please

a reply to: AgarthaSeed

Look, I'll put it bluntly. You're well aware of the no planes argument points. I could post plenty of videos that clearly demonstrate very valid hypotheses.

Such as?!

...By you showing the footage of planes ( that may or may not be CGI ) hitting the buildings isn't addressing the point. The claim is that they ARE CGI videos and photos, yet you're arguing that by posting the said videos that are suspect.

The issue is moot because the videos are not CGI videos and there are many 9/11 conspiracy theorist that don't subscribe to the "no-planes" theory nor CGI videos.

Fact of the matter is, WTC 1 was struck by American 11 and WTC 2 was struck by United 175 and there are tons of data and aircraft wreckage that placed each of those aircraft at ground zero, not to mention confirmation on the loss of those aircraft by American Airlines and United Airlines.

The "no-planes" folks also forget the fate of passengers and crew of American 11 and United 175. Despite the fact that transponders were tampered with, radar tracked each of those aircraft to the ground zero crash site and additionally, ACARS did not depict those aircraft anywhere else after they crashed. Remember, the B-757 and the B-767 are not stealth aircraft.

ACARS did not depict those aircraft anywhere else after they crashed.

Some will say this is incorrect..

a reply to: wildb

I am right on the money in regard to ACARS. In fact, you can get confirmation from ARINC, the ACARS experts. I know, because I'd contacted them a few years ago.

To sum that up, even before I'd contracted ARINC, I knew that 9/11 conspiracy theorist were posting false information regarding ACARS and I let them know that they were posting false and misleading information.

On another note, 9/11 conspiracy theorist overlooked radar tracking data in regard to the 9/11 airliners. They were incorrect when they'd claimed that ACARS depicted the 9/11 airliners airborne after their reported crash times, when in fact, radar tracking data depicted no such thing even though the transponders were tampered with. I was so amazed that they overlooked radar tracking data over ACARS, I soon realize that it was a major blunder on their part.

Simply amazing!!

I am right on the money in regard to ACARS. In fact, you can get confirmation from ARINC, the ACARS experts. I know, because I'd contacted them a few years ago.

a reply to: skyeagle409

Then you know what I'm talking about, so post the proof to prove your point..

a reply to: wildb

Then you know what I'm talking about, so post the proof to prove your point..

Simple! Let's take a look at United 175 as an example.

United 175 Altitude Flight Profile

Let's go here.

Crash of United 175

At 09:01, two minutes before impact as United Airlines Flight 175 continued its descent into Lower Manhattan, the New York Center alerted another nearby Air Traffic Facility responsible for low-flying aircraft, which was able to monitor the aircraft's path over New Jersey, and then over Staten Island and New York Harbor in its final moments. (Flight 175 came in from the southwest, apparently heading for the Empire State Building, but turned right, then left into the South Tower.)

en.wikipedia.org...

Let's match the time frame of the crash of United 175 with seismic data.

Seismic Data

Now, let's get technical and examine the ACARS messages, and I might add that routing algorithm is built into ACARS which attempts to send messages through the best possible RGS.

United Flight 175 Messages of Interest

1158:00Z Pushback (rounded to nearest 30 seconds)

1214:00Z Lift off (nose wheel strut extension)

1231:49Z A crew acknowledged message that indicates crew was in charge

1259:19Z A dispatcher-initiated message that reached the plane but not crew acknowledged from [J. Tsen] stating "I heard of a reported incident."

1259:29 Additional dispatcher-initiated message

1259:30 Additional dispatcher-initiated message

1303:17 Rogers-initiated message not received by the aircraft

In other words, United 175 did not receive the 'Rogers initiated' message after the time United 175 crashed. We can also take look at the following messages for confirmation that at no time did ACARS depict United 175 airborne after its crash time.

1st ON PG 4 (8:59 EDT)

DDLXCXA SFOLM CHI58R SFOFRSAM
.SFOLMUA 111259/JER
CMD
AN N612UA/GL MDT
- QUSFOLMUA 1UA175 BOSLAX
I HEARD OF A REPORTED INCIDENT ABOARD YOUR ACFT. PLZ VERIFY ALL
IS NORMAL....THX 777SAM
SFOLM JERRY TSEN

;09111259 108575 0543


2nd ON PG 5 (10:03 EDT)

DDLXCXA CHIAK CHI58R
.CHIAKUA 111303/ED
CMD
AN N612UA/GL MDT
- QUCHIAKUA 1UA175 BOSLAX
- MESSAGE FROM CHIDD -
HOW IS THE RIDE. ANY THING DISPATCH CAN DO FOR YOU...
CHIDD ED BALLINGER

;09111303 108575 0545


3rd ON PG 5 (10:03 EDT)

DDLXCXA CHIYR CHI58R
.CHIYRUA 111303/AD
CMD
AN N612UA/GL MDT
- QDCHIYRUA 1UA175 BOSLAX
- MESSAGE FROM CHIDD -
NY APROACH LOOKIN FOR YA ON 127.4
CHIDD AD ROGERS

;09111303 108575 0546

In that last message, they have lost contact with United 175, which proves that ACARS did not depict United 175 airborne after the official time the aircraft slammed into WTC 2, yet there are 9/11 conspiracy theorist posting false information that ACARS depicted just that.

Here is the radar flight track of United 175.

United 175 Flight Path

Flight Path Study - United Flight 175

www.ntsb.gov...

In that last message, they have lost contact with United 175

That was not the last message sent..

a reply to: wildb

That was the last message I sent, not the last ACARS message on record. However, it is evident that United 175 did not receive, nor reply, after the official time it slammed into WTC 2.

This photo clearly indicates why United 175 did not reply after 9:03 AM, local time.

United 175 Wreckage