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Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by December_Rain
As I stated earlier those sources are quoting the flawed lancing report and the Iraqi "Ministry of Health"
Let's not forget who was aiding those insurgents which by the way haven't yet received the credit they deserve for their part of the death and destruction in Iraq.
Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by December_Rain
I have read Kofi's statement, However if wars are illegal why did the UN authorize the Korean War? Or how about the First gulf war? Oh what about Somali or the Countless other wars? The Rwanda massacre? So you see Kofi's statement was political short memories around here and at the UN. What do you think about his blatant disrespect for international law now?
Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by December_Rain
No they are all linked together,
you throw accusations around that the war is illegal,
I counter and show you they are not illegal,
You throw Kofi's bogus statement out there about the Iraq war being illegal
and all wars being illegal,
I counter with the UN authorizing direct force in many wars fought after its inception...
Face it the war in Iraq was legal
and what the Canadian did (while it took guts) was illegal as it was pointed out by another member of the board.
Originally posted by Bushido Kanji
George Bush is only a War Criminal because he became the leader of the United States on unpopular terns initially, which started the 'hate GWB' binge that everyone seems to love to OD on. He is not a war criminal until he is proven guilty in a high court of law, which will never happen. And why is that? Because he is not a war criminal. He just went to war.
Why he went to war is debatable, and the torturing of alleged terrorists is pretty convicting, but no one has done so in a court of law. So to all of you war criminal whiners out there, keep it to yourself until he shows up in court.
Good luck getting him there. It isn't like Nuremberg. GWB hasn't lost a war.
Obama will though.
Is he a war criminal too? No, he is a socialist.
People just cannot be pleased. Hate all authority. Anarchy will please you, no? Probably not, you would complain about something else I wager.
Anyway, I would like to see how this turns out for him in the end. The activist, and GWB.
Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by December_Rain
Your back peddling now, Kofi made an accusation ( which according to the charter is true) But I don’t see you people going after the UN for allowing Wars to go on for the last 60 years. If Bush is a war criminal that makes Obama and Kofi a criminal for allowing it to happen and being the current commander in chief.
My total point on this you give the Canadian thumbs up for breaking Canadian laws, but smack W down for going to war illegal, even though I have proven over and over again that the wars were not illegal but sanctioned by the UN, US, G.B, and several other governments.
The UN has blood on its hands just like America does, you want to try W fine, But bring in Kofi and Obama, Putin, Blair, and every other country that went to war or supplied armies or factions during a war... The fact is every nations hands are bloody.... You are being blinded by your hatred for Bush to see the truth….
Don’t get me wrong I don’t like Bush and I applaud your effort but your being one-sided on this, be equal opportunity.
Originally posted by centurion1211
Originally posted by hippomchippo
Originally posted by dereks
Originally posted by bsbray11
GWB is a war criminal, endorsed torture along with Dick Cheney, etc.
In your fantasy world perhaps, however in the real world courts decide guilt or innocence - and we can see how you hate that fact!
Unfortunantly in this real world half the courts are too corrupt and the other half are too scared to bring this man to justice.
But even if what you say is true, it still does not give any of you the right to claim anyone else is a criminal.
Turn it around. What if someone else decides just on their whim to declare YOU a criminal.
See the slippery slope you are creating just because you hate Bush?
Originally posted by rotorwing
Originally posted by centurion1211
Originally posted by hippomchippo
Originally posted by dereks
Originally posted by bsbray11
GWB is a war criminal, endorsed torture along with Dick Cheney, etc.
In your fantasy world perhaps, however in the real world courts decide guilt or innocence - and we can see how you hate that fact!
Unfortunantly in this real world half the courts are too corrupt and the other half are too scared to bring this man to justice.
But even if what you say is true, it still does not give any of you the right to claim anyone else is a criminal.
Turn it around. What if someone else decides just on their whim to declare YOU a criminal.
See the slippery slope you are creating just because you hate Bush?
I find this an interesting exchange...GW is not a criminal. That aside, as centurion explains...eloquently I might add...this is a darn blind box canyon you are flying down. There is no return from this if it goes forward. No leader of any kind im any country will ever be safe to make any decision again.
Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by SLAYER69
Brother there going to play dumb, They know W, will never be arrested, and here is why. The Iraqi War was never illegal it was sanctioned By the US Congress and The security Consul... Now if you don’t believe me will read these for yourself.
UN Security Council Resolutions 1441 . en.wikipedia.org...
And From the Horse’s mouth itself.
www.un.org...
Now because I don’t bow to any organization that isn’t American and I believe the UN it’s just some dumb rubber stamp to keep the politicians and third world nations happy.. I give to The US congress authorization for war on Iraq.
en.wikipedia.org...
www.c-span.org...
www.sourcewatch.org...
Now I know some of you goof balls are not going to be happy about this and will then go on and say that Bush and the CIA lied about the WMDs. Because you have a short memory I give you this.
From Russia archive.newsmax.com...
Now here is a list of US leaders that went on to say Saddam Had WMDs from Ted Kennedy to Al Gore... Also at the bottom his a blurb of other nations Intel reports where mixed signals were sent.
wiki.answers.com...
Now I should state that While I think the Government Mainly the Intel community, lied about Saddams WMD program, I should also note that WMDs were not the only reason we went in there see UN Order 1441. Should we have gone into to Iraq... No Saddam was a good buffer for Iran... But we are there ( I fought there) we should finish the mission and leave Iraq... Not like Vietnam were the Politicians lost the war but the Military won it... War Sucks only those who have fought and the families destroyed by it no better than anyone else… It also sucks to fight it then lose it because the politicians get in the way. Ask Hitlers Generals or General Westmorland.
Now as far as the Canadian good job eh... Next time sue in court or something, but since Bush is powerful nothing will come of it no since in getting your panties in a bundle and getting arrested run for office and get him that way.
Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by 814ck0u7
The whole lot of them need to be tried for crimes against humanity, I am down for that, But you cant take one down with out going after all of them...
Originally posted by 814ck0u7
Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by 814ck0u7
The whole lot of them need to be tried for crimes against humanity, I am down for that, But you cant take one down with out going after all of them...
like i said i see no problem with any of that.
none at all.
Originally posted by 814ck0u7
the legalization or enabling of this war does not MAKE it legal.
we were told iraq had WMD's and now we have been there almost 10 years and found nothing.
Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by 814ck0u7
Oh yes there was WMD in Iraq, But not the large amount that Bush Claimed there was, I think like 300 Canister of Nerve Gas were found and maybe even small amounts of mustards gas. Now Mind you these were buried in the desert and left over from the Iran-Iraq war. I should also note that WMDs were not the sole reasoning for the war, I should also point out he was not allowed to have medium to long ranger weapons or advance military weapons, which he did... Also he wasn’t allowed to have Scuds, which he did... And lets not forget the French Marrige airplanes that were buried in the desert.... There were many justifications for war with Iraq, WMDs were the main part...
In short Saddam played a deadly cat and mouse game with the US, he was receiving money from governments in the middle east to not use those weapons, if it came out that he didn’t have any the money would not come in... Also he may have had to deal with a Shia/Kurd Uprising. To understand a madman you most think like a mad man.
Originally posted by centurion1211
Originally posted by 814ck0u7
the legalization or enabling of this war does not MAKE it legal.
we were told iraq had WMD's and now we have been there almost 10 years and found nothing.
Good!
We have a constitutional law scholar here.
Please provide sources for your legal opinions, especially this one: "the legalization or enabling of this war does not MAKE it legal".
We all want to understand that, too.
Thanks (in advance).