Citizen's Arrest of Alleged War Criminal George W. Bush in Canada

I find it funny that all of these posters want to defend George Bush because he is "innocent", but then they would not feel any remorse if Hitler was the one being "accused".

It's the new American attitude you haven't heard?

Everyone should die! Christianity Hoorahh!

*While the bankers steal all the money from the economy.*

Originally posted by Emerald The Paradigm
I find it funny that all of these posters want to defend George Bush because he is "innocent", but then they would not feel any remorse if Hitler was the one being "accused".

It's the new American attitude you haven't heard?

Everyone should die! Christianity Hoorahh!

*While the bankers steal all the money from the economy.*

I'm not defending Bush. I think he was a bad President. But like or dislike, the law should be impartial. Can you really not tell the difference between Bush and Hitler? Really?

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Nope.

They are both genocidal murderers hell bent on making money and following the international cabal's orders.

Originally posted by Emerald The Paradigm
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Nope.

They are both genocidal murderers hell bent on making money and following the international cabal's orders.

Well that opinion shows your lack of grasp of history and logic. Not trying to be a jerk saying that, but really the acts of the two men are really not comparable. The motivations of the two men are not even comparable. The tactics used are not even comparable.

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They both directly ordered the massacre of millions of people, and dumb soldiers did what they were told because it's their "duty".

As if honor matters when you are killing innocent people.

This is the attitude that's wrong with the world today.

They put honor over human life.

Sad. Really Sad.

Originally posted by Emerald The Paradigm
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They both directly ordered the massacre of millions of people, and dumb soldiers did what they were told because it's their "duty".

As if honor matters when you are killing innocent people.

This is the attitude that's wrong with the world today.

They put honor over human life.

Sad. Really Sad.

Great tactic, start ripping on the troops and their sacrifices. Again shows your lack of grasp on facts and history.

If you really think that Bush is like a modern day Hitler, there really isn't and point trying to talk logically to you. You wouldn't listen. I encourage you to study history a little more deeply, and to read the words and tactics of each man. Not just the rhetoric spit out of the left fringe and foreign enemies. Of course I doubt you will spend the hundreds of hours of research I have or others.

So one last philosophical question for you; are there any just wars? If so, which?

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Nope not as of the past 100 years there hasn't been any real wars.

Even WW2 was the international banking cabal pulling the strings.

If you actually have done your research then you'll understand that the BANKS have been funding and profiting off BOTH sides of the conflict.

It's all about the money.

Freedom has nothing to do with it.

The only color that they understand is Green.

Hitler was a puppet. George Bush was a puppet. Obama is a puppet. Ahmadinejad is a puppet. etc.

Originally posted by Bushido Kanji
George Bush is only a War Criminal because he became the leader of the United States on unpopular terns initially, which started the 'hate GWB' binge that everyone seems to love to OD on. He is not a war criminal until he is proven guilty in a high court of law, which will never happen. And why is that? Because he is not a war criminal. He just went to war.

Why he went to war is debatable, and the torturing of alleged terrorists is pretty convicting, but no one has done so in a court of law. So to all of you war criminal whiners out there, keep it to yourself until he shows up in court.

So, in your logic, if I kill someone and don't get caught, I'm not a murderer, because I never went to court?

We all KNOW that GWB and Tony Blair signed off on torture of prisoners of war. This is against international law. Just because they haven't been brought to justice over it, doesn't diminish responsibility.

Also, the fact that they went to war, regardless of the reasons is not up for debate here. It's responsibility for their actions during a time of war that's being called into question.

Originally posted by Emerald The Paradigm
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Nope not as of the past 100 years there hasn't been any real wars.

Even WW2 was the international banking cabal pulling the strings.

If you actually have done your research then you'll understand that the BANKS have been funding and profiting off BOTH sides of the conflict.

It's all about the money.

Freedom has nothing to do with it.

The only color that they understand is Green.

Hitler was a puppet. George Bush was a puppet. Obama is a puppet. Ahmadinejad is a puppet. etc.

Oh I am a student of history my friend. And if these are really your opinions, all the logic or fact in the world won't talk sense into you. I dislike the Fed, I don't like Bush, but you are not even being logical here buddy. You disregard and disrespect the sacrifices or soldiers in all the wars of the past century defending liberty and freedom. Hundreds of millions of people were freed due to their sacrifices, and now billions have lived since then under freedom's banner, not that of dictators, socialists and murderers. I know you will disagree, but those that were saved and freed from these oppressive regimes would not take so kindly to your rhetoric and ignorance. Ironic since the same freedom that allows you to speak openly and freely is provided to you by the sacrifices of these soldiers and heroes you now disrespect.

Personally, i cant imagine anything will come of this, sadly i might add.. My strong dislike of Bush wasnt due to the bs electroial votes.. it was more the fact that he was a dumb..seriously freaking dumb.. redneck.. and then really every time he opened his mouth the dislike became stronger and stronger..

I will certainly be following this trial though as i am sure it will be interesting.. but his smug moronic self will no doubt walk out of the courts unscathed...
its amazing what money can do..

Originally posted by Emerald The Paradigm

They both directly ordered the massacre of millions of people

Care to show us the "millions of people" that Bush ordered massacred?

Hitlers war was unjust, and racialy motivated. He wanted to remove all the Jews, blacks, gays, and anyone who wasnt blue eyed, tall , and blonde (which shows how much of an overcompensator he was... I mean he was a tiny little dark haired dude himself).
George W Bush's war, was unjust because he did it for the greenbacks. He and his chums have earned titloads of cash, and earned a hell of a lot of contracts for thier wealthy associates from participating in the war , CERTAINLY in the case of Iraq. If there was ever a shred of actual humanitarian thought in what he began there, then tens of thousands of innocent non combatants would not have died. Soldiers would have been forced to put themselves at increased risk, due to having to be VERY careful to not kill a civilain. If Mr Bush had given two tugs of a dead dogs member about civilian deaths, he would have sent in a more clinical strike force with direct involvement of the secret service. It would have been an assasination , and beheading of the entire military structure of the place, not a complete devestation , with women and children dying in thier thousands so we could all sleep a little better at night. When you look at the sum total effect of the war in Iraq, there can be little doubt that what good MAY come of it, is a mere side effect of GWB's need to make himself look strong after the attack on his people, and his wish to aquire personal fortunes for himself and his associates which far outweigh his former finances. Mark my words, the man has stashed away an OBSCENE amount of cash from this, as have his cronies in Haliburton, Blackwater, and all the rest.
I find Hitler disgusting, because I believe fascism is the single biggest threat to the continued survival of our species. I find GWB ABHORANT, because the venomous little btard did in the name of financial gain, what others have done for religious fundamentalism. He spawned an era of hate , and I hope that when he dies, he becomes the personal plaything of Satan himself.

Originally posted by Emerald The Paradigm
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Nope not as of the past 100 years there hasn't been any real wars.

Even WW2 was the international banking cabal pulling the strings.

If you actually have done your research then you'll understand that the BANKS have been funding and profiting off BOTH sides of the conflict.

It's all about the money.

Freedom has nothing to do with it.

The only color that they understand is Green.

Hitler was a puppet. George Bush was a puppet. Obama is a puppet. Ahmadinejad is a puppet. etc.

Having spent the past hour and a half reading all the posts, this was the best one, a bit off but good none the less. It is actually every war since the revolutionary war which the King of England funded BOTH sides and America has never been free from British rule, America has NEVER been a "free" country, that is all a false facade to keep the slaves content and controlled.

All you war veterans here need to read SMedley D. Butlers book, "War is a Racket". It's not a long book but states the fact that major corporations FUND wars FOR PROFIT and nothing else.

Getting to the OP, I wonder how his case went. What we all here do not know, is IF he had evidence, how the lawyers filed the papers and IF the document he had and was holding in the air was a "summons" or just a complaint and notice.

Speculation is a great thing to get people going. Understanding the underlying "reasons" that man goes to war is even harder thing to grasp. It's all about stealing the natural resources from the people. The war in Afghanistan is not just about the Opium which the Bush family has a great interest, Skull and Bones lodge was founded by an Opium smuggler and it makes a huge amount of money for the CIA's covert ops program, but it is about the oil pipeline to the gulf, for Shell, I think that was company?

Yes, Bush is a puppet, and the people pulling the strings are easy to see. The curtain will soon be pulled up and all will be known. Many people will stand there in disbelief of what the real truth is, it is all so subjective.

Would like to know how the case went.

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Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by Unity_99
His illegal war broke the geneva convention.

Care to point out exactly which convention/paragraph his war broke?
en.wikipedia.org...

Grave Breaches

Not all violations of the treaty are treated equally. The most serious crimes are termed grave breaches, and provide a legal definition of a war crime. Grave breaches of the Third and Fourth Geneva Conventions include the following acts if committed against a person protected by the convention:

* willful killing, torture or inhuman treatment, including biological experiments
* willfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health
* compelling one to serve in the forces of a hostile power
* willfully depriving one of the right to a fair trial.

Also considered grave breaches of the Fourth Geneva Convention are the following:

* taking of hostages
* extensive destruction and appropriation of property not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly
* unlawful deportation, transfer, or confinement.[8]

Nations who are party to these treaties must enact and enforce legislation penalizing any of these crimes.[9] Nations are also obligated to search for persons alleged to commit these crimes, or ordered them to be committed, and to bring them to trial regardless of their nationality and regardless of the place where the crimes took place.

This alone would "suggest" that George W. Bush & co have a lot of explaining to do with regards to commiting "Grave Breaches". Actually have a read at the articles. I very much doubt that many people have read the whole thing. Nobody can declare what is a breach of any agreement, article, law, treaty and blah blah blah without first having read the details. Fact. Clearly there are many breaches of the Geneva Convention by all sides of the invasion...there are numerous stories of soldiers commiting terrible acts:
Five soldiers charged in Iraq rape-murder case
Ex-soldier could face death over Iraq murders, rape

Search online for many, many more stories of soldiers commiting shocking acts against the innocent people in this. Ok, it wasn't Bush & co that raped or murdered these people but were a result of their actions. The world was duped with regards to 9/11 and invading Afghanistan as the War on Terror commenced then again in 2003 with regards to Saddam's WMD's. There are people at the top who must be held accountable and that is Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld etc, for pursuing these hapless invasions which have resulted in the numerous deaths of soldiers and civillians the world over, and created a hatred for the west. Another breach? ;-)

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by Unity_99
Futhermore, using depleted uranium has already been declared by the UN a weapon of mass destruction.

When and exactly did the UN declare that, which resolution was it done under?

Actually there was a report written in 2002 by the UN subcommission which states that the use of depleted uranium (DU) IS illegal. The US breached the Universal Declaration of Human Rights; the Charter of the United Nations; the Genocide Convention; the Convention Against Torture; the four Geneva Conventions of 1949; the Conventional Weapons Convention of 1980; and the Hague Conventions of 1899 and 1907, which expressly forbid employing 'poison or poisoned weapons' and 'arms, projectiles or materials calculated to cause unnecessary suffering'...read the report

Why are people comparing Bush to hitler? That #e makes me laugh so much. If you took that mindset to a an international court, and tried to convince people that Bush is a new Hitler then Bush would walk free.

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by bsbray11
GWB is a war criminal, endorsed torture along with Dick Cheney, etc.

In your fantasy world perhaps, however in the real world courts decide guilt or innocence - and we can see how you hate that fact!

www.newsweek.com...

According to a Newsweek investigation,

“The commission appears to have ignored obvious clues throughout 2003 and 2004 that its account of the 9/11 plot and Al Qaeda's history relied heavily on information obtained from detainees who had been subjected to torture, or something not far from it.

That has troubling implications for the credibility of the commission's final report."

That has troubling implications for the credibility of the commission's final report.

They'll never convict GW a war criminal cuz first off hes just doing what hes told hes the public face u think the elite are gonna let him go down so they can be compromised?

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by Unity_99
His illegal war broke the geneva convention.

Care to point out exactly which convention/paragraph his war broke?
en.wikipedia.org...

First, the misleading part of the answer:
"Although no Geneva Convention or other treaty bans the use of radioactive uranium weapons, including DU weapons"

Now the full comment, for full effect:
"Although no Geneva Convention or other treaty bans the use of radioactive uranium weapons, including DU weapons, these weapons are, in fact, illegal de facto and de jure when judged by the standard of the Hague Convention of 1907 which prohibits use of any "poison or poisoned weapons."

"By signing the Hague Convention, the U.S. is in a binding treaty under international law."

www.globalresearch.ca...

Originally posted by dereksFuthermore, using depleted uranium has already been declared by the UN a weapon of mass destruction.

When and exactly did the UN declare that, which resolution was it done under?

September 4, 1996. HR/CN/755. Session 48:

"Urged all States to be guided in their national policies by the need to curb production and spread of weapons of mass destructionor with indiscriminate effect, in particular nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, fuel-air bombs, napalm, cluster bombs, biological weaponry and weaponry containing depleted uranium "

www.un.org...

More recently: "According to a August 2002 report by the UN subcommission, laws which are breached by the use of DU shells include: the Universal Declaration of Human Rights; the Charter of the United Nations; the Genocide Convention; the Convention Against Torture; the four Geneva Conventions of 1949; the Conventional Weapons Convention of 1980; and the Hague Conventions of 1899 and 1907, which expressly forbid employing 'poison or poisoned weapons'."

www.commondreams.org...

Legally, anyone who sees him and does not perform a citizens arrest is in violation of international law.

Exactly which "international law" would that be exactly?

While currently there are no warrants for any of the Bush administration, there has been some movement in the past week. A man went to the Hague and at the International crime court filed a complaint against George W. Bush, Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, George Tenet, Condoleezza Rice and Alberto Gonzales.

www.redress.cc...

This complaint is the first step towards getting an arrest warrant.

And he is a war criminal.

So when and in which court was he convicted?
Exactly what has he been convicted of?

This goes back to the Hague signing:
"By signing the Hague Convention, the U.S. is in a binding treaty under international law. So, because of signing the Hague, in using DU weapons in combat or for any purpose, the U.S. has violated its sacred treaty obligations and is guilty of a war crime."

www.globalresearch.ca...


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reply to post by dereks

Let's start with the obvious.

1. Wars of agression
2. Torture and indefinite detention
3. Attacks on global aids programs
4. Destruction of the global environment
5. Response to Hurricane Katrina, before, during and after.

www.bushcommission.org...

and move on to the more obvious:

www.youtube.com...

GWB was a bad president, a liar a thief and bully.

Anyone supporting him is just as bad as he was.

I said from the beginning this guy was bad news, it's obvious just looking at his smug, arrogant I'm better than you smirk.

But, you can't tell people anything, everybody is a proud know it all.

www.youtube.com...

www.youtube.com...

I maintain GWB also ordered 911 to manipulate the American People into going along with the war in Iraq.

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Originally posted by johnny2127
Can anyone here show me one war where there were not interrogations or 'torture'? Anyone? I think many of you do not realize the brutalities of war. You want to convict Bush of the same things you ignore that every world leader that has ever presided over a war has done and authorized. It shows the hypocrisy, illogical and intellectual dishonesty of this movement and the people involved in it.

What ? What ? War I call it a Invasion Police Action , or just Imagine a Drug Raid by a Swat team but its not a drug but a false flag ( Weapons of mass destruction ) Iraq got there ass kicked in Operation Dessert Storm/shield and with all of Saddam's Fantasy Dictation Dream World he Knew that in 2003

Correct it was a Invasion War (Police Action Raid on Iraq) ! where it should of been Saudia Arabia and Pakistan and Afghanistan that had the Taliban, Jihad , Al-Qaeda en.wikipedia.org...

It should been a war with Saudi Arabia as the majority of those were from that country that were on those 4 planes in the 911 attacks


War with Afghanistan/ Pakistan that Harbored the Taliban to train them

or our own soil Microsoft for Making a Flight Simulator to use ( get the feel ( controls ) of a Boing and why not as the some congress to senators try to banned games that had violence in them ( from the high school shooting incident The Columbine High School massacre) and the Pilot Trainers that did not think(raise a red flag) of what the hell is a Middle eastern on vacation want to learn to fly while on Vacation ? and American Home Land Security for putting a marshmallows on sticks and putting it into the pentagon and twin towers

reaction time is a factor and American Home Land Security did a piss poor job in doing it and because of their failure we have a Big Brother an Orwellian Homeland Security www.oilempire.us...

something like the United Nations does to the world The United Nations reminds me of A Mall Security Officer no need to explain myself there

Is this the first time American made a invasion? Operation Desert Storm
en.wikipedia.org... does NOT count as I should know active Marine at the time Kuwait ask for Help king fahad of Saudia Arabia actually did en.wikipedia.org...


the time line of 2003
usforeignpolicy.about.com...


Think progress Time line (dates are the articles ) very interesting view m

thinkprogress.org...
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with all this bloodshed , could of easily wiped Saddam Hussian out with a double agent or what the CIA does best

well be aware very away Home Land is now the Big brother want proof !

you think China is bad! for Censoring ! our cyberworld ! think again right from the Home land Security site themselves !!!!

www.dhs.gov...

what benefit is this going to >?
well let them put a finger then a hand then whole arm then head then ( get the picture) just amp the patriot act a notch