Low-Tax Texas Beats Big-Government California, page 1
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Topic started on 8-3-2010 @ 02:58 PM by jibeho
This is a fantastic story no matter what side of the aisle you sit on. We could all learn a little from Texas.

"Stop messing with Texas!" That was the message Gov. Rick Perry bellowed on election night as he celebrated his victory over Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison in the Republican primary for governor. In his reference to Texas' anti-littering slogan, Perry was making a point applicable to national as well as Texas politics and addressed to Democratic politicians as well as Republicans.

His point was that the big government policies of the Obama administration and Democratic congressional leaders are resented and fiercely opposed not just because of their dire fiscal effects but also as an intrusion on voters' independence and ability to make decisions for themselves.


They are lessons that are particularly vivid when you contrast Texas, the nation's second most populous state, with the most populous, California. Both were once Mexican territory, secured for the United States in the 1840s. Both have grown prodigiously over the past half-century. Both have populations that today are about one-third Hispanic.


Californians have responded by leaving the state. From 2000 to 2009, the Census Bureau estimates, there has been a domestic outflow of 1,509,000 people from California -- almost as many as the number of immigrants coming in. Population growth has not been above the national average and, for the first time in history, it appears that California will gain no House seats or electoral votes from the reapportionment following the 2010 Census

Texas is a different story. Texas has low taxes -- and no state income taxes -- and a much smaller government. Its legislature meets for only 90 days every two years, compared to California's year-round legislature. Its fiscal condition is sound. Public employee unions are weak or nonexistent.

But Texas seems to be delivering superior services. Its teachers are paid less than California's. But its test scores -- and with a demographically similar school population -- are higher. California's once fabled freeways are crumbling and crowded. Texas has built gleaming new highways in metro Houston and Dallas-Fort Worth.

In the meantime, Texas' economy has been booming. Unemployment rates have been below the national average for more than a decade, as companies small and large generate new jobs.

And Americans have been voting for Texas with their feet. From 2000 to 2009, some 848,000 people moved from other parts of the United States to Texas, about the same number as moved in from abroad.


townhall.com...

Let's all hope that our Federal govt. refuses to help Kalifornia unless there are drastic changes within their heavily bloated system. Kudos to Texas for doing something right.

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reply posted on 8-3-2010 @ 04:19 PM by centurion1211
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KK,

Perhaps you accidentally posted the above ^^^^ on the wrong thread, since this is a thread comparing the relative size and success of two state governments - CA and TX - and not a comparison of their respective "carbon footprints".

Of course, if you did mean to post the above response here, I'm calling it out as a deflection attempt.

On topic, I think this comparison shows the failure of the "nanny state" concept as practiced by and in CA. No matter how much money you attempt to throw at all the issues, you cannot make everyone's problems go away.


reply posted on 8-3-2010 @ 04:21 PM by jam321
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Well, unless you happen to be black, in which case simply being in Texas pretty much makes you instantly eligible for the death sentence.


Come on down to my State. We sentence them to death in all colors. We don't discriminate.


California B W H

California 690 249 253 154

Texas 342 132 107 99

www.deathpenaltyinfo.org...

State of Texas numbers

As to the op, yes, we like a smaller government. But a part of me truly believes that if Perry had not been under constraints, he would have made us have a bigger government as well.



reply posted on 8-3-2010 @ 04:25 PM by jibeho
Originally posted by kinda kurious
Thanks for the Townhall link. Signed up for Ann Coulters's free e-mails.


You can throw this on your bonfire:

Everything’s big in Texas — big pickup trucks, big SUVs and the state’s big carbon footprint, too.

Texans’ fondness for large, manly vehicles has helped make the Lone Star State the biggest carbon polluter in the nation.


Texas political leaders read “environmental protection as government activism” and want no part of it, said Jim Henson, director of the Texas Politics Project at the University of Texas at Austin.


www.4us2be.com...

Houston Tops L.A. for Most Carbon Emissions
www.npr.org...

I'd take California any day. Texas is like one big armpit. Cough.
(Boy is Doc Velocity gonna love this thread.)





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I thought I already signed you up for Coulter's emails

Anyhoo, this is about fiscal responsibility and the effectiveness of small govt when run properly. California has been a mess for years and it is all finally coming back to haunt them. Kalifornication will be the first state to fall to Martial law when the state and localities can no longer afford to pay for any public services.

You all can keep California to yourselves. When it falls away from the mainland I will be sure to toss you a lifesaving buoy because I strongly suspect that California does not have enough lifeboats for its unsuspecting passengers.


reply posted on 8-3-2010 @ 04:30 PM by kinda kurious
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Perhaps you missed my quote:

Texas political leaders read “environmental protection as government activism” and want no part of it, said Jim Henson, director of the Texas Politics Project at the University of Texas at Austin.


It was not meant to deflect, but rather a comaprison of two states. Nothwithstanding that the thread was baiting in nature (Source) and I took it. I was "expanding" the comparison, not diverting it.

Quality of life is important to me as is clean air. Given the choice, I'd rather live in CA over TX. But alas I'll never willingly leave sunny, balmy, breezy Florida.

Besides, if Gov. Perry gets his way, they'd secede. Too bad they won't take their pollution with them.

Regards...kk

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reply posted on 8-3-2010 @ 04:45 PM by jibeho
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Nothwithstanding that the thread was baiting in nature (Source) and I took it. I was "expanding" the comparison, not diverting it.


I would never throw you bait. Facts are facts regardless if the source is Townhall or cough cough gag Huffington Post.

We all know Cali is in trouble and that it is now falling victim to itself. Hell, even "The Academy" was scaling back on free goodie bags for those who certainly don't need handouts on Oscar night. Except for Nicholas Cage perhaps. I hear they passed the hat for him.


reply posted on 8-3-2010 @ 04:47 PM by justinsweatt
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Florida has it's fair share of toxicity. It has the same oil rigs and a lot of the same environmental problems that much of those states in the gulf region have experienced. I'm all for not pooping where you eat, that's for sure but what is the solution here?

Just looking at your views on this thread, I'm going to assume that you are also okay with the idea of the Cap and Trade Bill. Trust me, your Quality of Life will go down drastically if you allow the Cap and Trade Bill to go through. Some estimates on various web sites (infowars is one, deadlinelive is another) that gas could go as high as 7 dollars a gallon. Add that to a volatile economic mix of problems and you are looking at the dark ages again. But since we're throwing out generalities, which this site seems to do quite a bit, why don't you just tell us why you hate poor people since they are the ones who are going to bear the brunt of this. Why do you have poor people?

And from my personal experience, Texas is WAY cleaner than Florida. Florida does such asinine things you have your own tagline on Fark's website. UGH.


reply posted on 8-3-2010 @ 05:06 PM by kinda kurious
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OK Jibe, I'll engage. IMO, this is typical Republican hyperbole. To make the point that "See how much better a Republican run state is" is simply more Republican "cut off nose to spite face" rhetoric.

It is ludicrous to somehow assume that other states would be immune from the implications were California to totally fail. Domino effect. As a reminder both Texas and Califorinia are but two states in our union of 50. And as the old saying goes "As California Goes, So Goes the Country."

To take joy in seeing the demise of our country is why I always ask myself why Republicans hate America so much?

When our entire country is experiencing tenuous economic times, it would seem paramount to work towards the common benefit of our nation, rather than point out the stark differences via political bravado. Who wins?

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reply posted on 8-3-2010 @ 07:54 PM by kinda kurious
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I am afraid you know not of what you speak.

Regarding oil rigs in Florida. At present, we don't have any but that might soon change:

Speaking to reporters Monday in Tallahassee, Cannon said any bill that comes out of his Select Policy Council on Strategic and Economic Planning will guard against the "visual blight" that drilling critics say has marred the coasts of Alabama, Louisiana and Texas.


www.news-press.com...

Regarding cleanliness of Fla vs. Texas, you must be joking.

Four of top 10 Top US Beaches are in Florida:

www.americasbestonline.com...

Unless this is your idea of clean:






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