I find the poster of this thread ridiculously standoffish. I actually agree with him, but in general he is just putting a post out there, saying
this is the way it is, and calling anyone who wants to talk about it, even if agreeable, stupid. ???WTF?
He also offers no background information for those who aren’t well read on this topic. Many of us, such as me, are well read on this topic. I
don’t need the information. I know all about the connections throughout history of Judism and Christianity. But then again, this thread isn’t
really here to prove anything to me, I’m already a believer in the concept of the OP. So for those who aren’t convinced, the thread also does
nothing because it offers no information, just smug attitude.
I will offer some information since the poster seems to not want to actively participate in his own thread.
Firstly, I personally view the bible as books that can be broken into four main groups:
B) Moses / Post-Moses
D) Other misc crap after the gospels
A&B would be the Jewish / Hebrew Bible (old testament: pre Jebus)
C&D would be the new testament or Christian bible (post Jebus)
Breaking it down:
A. Pre-Moses : As most of us know, many studies have clearly shown that the first five books were from ancient works. Most around ATS are familiar
with Sitchin, who makes a great case for the ancient Sumerian, Indian Vedas, and others as the original version of those books. ‘nuff said.
(Graham Handcock also has great books that hit on the same concepts.)
B. The Moses/Post-Moses old testament: Ok the Jews were supposedly enslaved by the Egyptians just about the same time they were pushing for
monotheism (although it was short lived in Egypt) Shortly afterwards, they picked their favorite god Jehovah and dedicated themselves to him. The
set up their temple just like the Egyptian temple which they were familiar with and drew up a bunch of laws and prophesies claiming that they were
special and god would come back to smite all the non-special people. Isn’t that special! Enjoy your ongoing war!
C. The Jesus story, the gospels: No one wrote a gospel while Jesus was alive. His apostles bumbled about scared of their own shadow and not wanting
to piss of the Jew power elite or the Romans. Mired in arguable failure, along comes Paul the Roman (Saul of Tarsus) who starts paganizing the
Jebus’ story for the gentiles who were pagans. Much like the Ron Popeil of RonCo, Paul was a great salesman and this NEW (albeit tiny) religion
tarts taking hold 100-300AD.
Around 300, Constantine who was the emperor of Rome says “Dude! I love these Christians. They stand there and get eaten by lions and don’t even
cry about it. They Rock!” And thus Christianity was adopted by Rome, the most powerful empire on earth. But there was one problem, Chritianity was
completely rag-tag and needed to be canonized into something people could reference. Thus began the counsels (Nicaea, Trent, etc) of stinky old
bureaucrats who decided which of the MANY versions of Jebus’ life story they were going to put into the bible. They picked four, Mathew, Mark,
Luke, and John. Riddled with contradictions and inconsistencies, they were the best the could come up with. Not everyone agreed in the end and thus
we have the Apocryphal books and a church schism (Eastern Orthodox). And that’s enough about that.
D. The forth section of the bible. I like to call it the dumping ground for all things “Christian” that were left over, floating around at the
time. i.e. Pamphlets, leaflets, prophesy, psalms, and letters by Paul. I would venture to say that 90% of Christian dogma is defined by these
“works”. It would be as though I walked around a Pagan/Wiccan/Witch festival today (which I do quite often) and picked up a random selection of
books and handouts from all the different witches in town. Then I sat down with a bunch of friends and decided which ones we liked and bound them
into a big book of books. Yeah. Ok.
So there you have it… the Bible demystified. Was this the point you were trying to make mr. poster? Your eloquence in your OP was profound and
provocative in its depth (ack hem
). You see, I agree with you, but in one page and five minutes I can make a point with a little rational
reasoning as to why I feel the way I do. To me, and this is just MY opinion, you just come off sounding like a smug, whiney little smarty-pants with
an bad attitude. (Probably someone not over the age of 20 who thinks they know it all, like most kids these days.)
[edit on 8-3-2010 by JonInMichigan]