Why Didn't Jesus Write The Bible?, page 1

reply to post by pplrnuts

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You said "The Bible." The Bible =/= The Old Testament.

Anyway, so long as I'm back... I can't recall what it's called at the moment, but there is a theory of the mechanism of salvation by which human intervention is the most important part; we are responsible for each other's salvation, and so it's better to have these things written by humans, so that they can take responsibility, and God's just kinda there.

Just another reason to follow the footsteps of Ivan Karamazov and reject salvation.

reply to post by pplrnuts

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Um, dude, I answered your question according to a reasonable theory of salvation. Maybe I have it in my notebook here. ... No, I don't, I need to take better notes in that class.

The theory that man depends on man for salvation rather than on God would totally permit the bible to necessarily be written by men. It's held by people who exist. Do I buy it? No; first because I'm an atheist and second because even if I did believe in god I couldn't stand a god who left us with so weak a chance, like you are indicating. But it's an answer to your question which I have proposed.

reply to post by pplrnuts

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I am so damn tired of that attitude. When you do research, you are supposed to share it! You list out the points that you want to make with the evidence for them and citations. Research is not a purely personal thing! Research is a social phenomenon! Stop being a dick and show us your evidence if you think you've got something -- antagonizing people doesn't make them think, it just ticks them off!

I've done my research for well over a decade, its time for me to ask stimulating questions now. Its LAZY folks that ask others to do their homework. If I told you, you wouldn't believe it until you find it for yourself. Otherwise I am talking to the wall.

reply to post by pplrnuts

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Actually, I've done my homework on this topic. Many, many, many years worth of homework.

But what if I hadn't done my homework? What if I didn't even know there was homework to do? If that's the case, all I get when I read your op is a rather hostile declaration with nothing to back it up.

When you make a claim, such as the ones you made in the op, you need to be prepared to substantiate that claim. And weak remarks about "doing your homework" are redundant. Provide links so people can do the homework. Provide a bibliography.

Otherwise, its like a prosecutor showing up for trial and telling the jury "Here's the truth." But he presents no witnesses, no facts, no evidence. And when the jury questions this, he simply replies, "Do the homework."

Wonder how long such a prosecutor would last.....

[edit on 8-3-2010 by smyleegrl]

reply to post by pplrnuts

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This dialogue would be a little easier if you would hit the "reply to" button on the particular posts you're replying to Just a little tip.

You didn't provide enough evidence in your post. In fact, you didn't provide any evidence in your post. You just asserted a bunch of stuff. I know that the Old Testament is largely derived from other mythological sources, but I can't recall right now where the evidence for this is. In fact, to gather evidence that this was true would take some hardcore research, when this isn't exactly my field, whereas apparently it's yours.

Your assertion that the ENTIRE old testament is ripped off is completely without foundation so far as I know. where's the evidence?

And your assertion that the sources they were ripped off from are fictional -- that's faulty too! Huge swaths of myth are based in some sorts of actual events. There probably was a severe flood in the Mesopotamian and Middle Eastern regions, so Noah's Ark would be an adaptation of a fictionalized account of a real event, not of pure fiction.

And the idea that it's all astrology is just absurd. What does that even mean? astrology is the motions of the stars and planets, and I dont' see much of that happening in the old testament, save that one time God stopped them all from moving.

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