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Topic started on 31-5-2004 @ 08:18 PM by Warhappy
This weapon below is the german Mp44 it seen action during ww2!


Now heres a pic of a Ak-47


Now in my opinion, After germany lost the war Russia stole the design plans for the mp44 and slaped there name on it! What is your opinion Ats?


reply posted on 20-8-2011 @ 09:21 PM by Drunkenparrot
reply to post by Warhappy


The concept of the Kalashnikov was inspired by the STG44 but the engineering behind the mechanics was strictly Soviet.

During World War II, the Germans first pioneered the assault rifle concept, based upon research that showed that most firefights happen at close range, within approximately 300 meters.The power and range of contemporary rifle cartridges was excessive for most small arms firefights. As a result, armies sought a cartridge and rifle combining submachine gun features (large-capacity magazine, selective-fire) with an intermediate-power cartridge effective to 300 meters. To reduce manufacturing costs, the 7.92x57mm Mauser cartridge case was shortened, the result of which was the lighter 7.92x33mm Kurz.

The resultant rifle was the Sturmgewehr 44 (StG44). An earlier firearm, the Italian Cei-Rigotti combined similar features but suffered poor reliability and ejection mechanism, as well as inferior magazine capacity. Towards the end of the war, the Germans fielded the StG44 against the Soviets; the experience deeply influenced Soviet military doctrine in the post-war years.
AK-47


Originally posted by mad scientist

Come on, as if the Soviets had the technological capacity to copy the MP43/Stg44 weapon.

The Soviets had little problem reverse engineering and manufacturing the most technologically advanced aircraft in the world in 1947, the Boeing B-29 Superfortress.

They detonated a nuclear device in 1949, barely four years short of the U.S.

If they had so desired Soviet industry would have had no problems producing a Sturmgewehr 44.

Look familiar?...



Compared to...



Towards the end of World War II, the Soviet Union saw the need for a strategic bombing capability similar to that of the USAAF. The U.S. regularly conducted bombing raids on Japan, virtually in the Soviet Union's backyard, from distant Pacific forward bases using B-29 Superfortresses. Stalin ordered the development of a comparable bomber.

The U.S. declined to supply the Soviet Union with B-29 heavy bombers under Lend Lease. However, on three occasions during 1944, individual B-29s made emergency landings in Soviet territory after bombing raids on Manchukuo and Japan. In accordance with the Soviet–Japanese Neutrality Pact, the Soviets were neutral in the Pacific War and the bombers were therefore interned and kept by the Soviets, despite American demands for their return. Stalin tasked Tupolev with cloning the Superfortress and Soviet industry was to produce 20 copies of the aircraft in just two years. The three B-29s were flown to Moscow and delivered into Tupolev OKB. One B-29 was fully dismantled, down to the smallest bolt, the second was used for flight tests and training, and the third one was left as a standard for cross-reference.
Tupolev Tu-4


reply to post by Amur_Tiger
Do you know that Mig-29 is VERY similar to F-15???

Originally posted by allenidaho

The Mig-29 is very similar to the F-15 because it was designed to compete against the F-15. It is cause and effect.

Other than sharing twin tails/engines, the Mig-29 and F-15 have little in common in either design or mission.

A much better analogy on paper would be to compare the SU-27(-30/-33/-35) to the F-15 and the Mig-29 to the F-16, although in real world operations the Mig as a program has been as much as a disappointment as the F-16 has been a success and the Sukhoi has not had the opportunities to attempt to rival the combat record of the Eagle.

The F-15’s record book is not yet complete, but thus far, it has put together a victory tally of 104 to zero . Flown in combat by the US Air Force, the Israeli Air Force, and the Royal Saudi Air Force, the fighter has never been defeated in combat.


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edit on 20-8-2011 by Drunkenparrot because: syntax

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