You do know that you're in for a storm of righteous indignation, don't you? Of course, the church was always more about politics and bullying the people then actually spreading any sort of religious message. Thanks for posting this, it was very informative.

As a Atheist I'm ashamed of other Atheist always trying to be what they hate the most and that is promoting fear to change a person's belief.

How am I promoting fear to change a person's belief? I simply provided you with a link to various christian atrocities. Nothing I said was meant to change your belief system.

I can see what you mean Rebel. I know these people make these sites for anti-christian reasons, but some of the things christian have done in the past are simply horrifying. I CANNOT imagine being subjugated to any of these torture methods.

I am a Christian and I cannot imagine why I would try to justify murder and torture done by lunatics. The men who perpetrated these atrocities were like demons in human skin. They were no more a follower of Yeshua than I am a follower of Buddha. Because they used the name "christian" to commit some the most horrible crimes in history, they were given enormous legitimacy they never deserved. These men were never followers of the beauty and wonder that is Yahweh or Yeashua!

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There is no justification for this, but there are sickos in every religion.

So jenny, how do you as a christian differ from the previous christians in the past? Just curious. You both pretty much believe the same thing (now & before).

There is no justification for this, but there are sickos in every religion.

I can understand that. There's always one bad person in a group that gets everyone labeled. But what other religion has been as violent as christians?

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Matthew 7:13-23 (New International Version)

The Narrow and Wide Gates
13"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
A Tree and Its Fruit
15"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

Bolded emphasis on "fruit" added.

The questions you have to ask yourself when these kinds of acts are committed are, "What kind of fruit is being produced here?"(Good or Bad) and "What do you think the meaning of Christian is?"

The meaning of Christian is to be a follower of Christ. Do you actually think the citations in the linked article are describing people following Christ? According to the above scripture Jesus Christ specifically addresses this kind of behavior. Reading this scripture and given these people did not turn back to God (Repentance) where do you think these people are going to end up? I am giving these rhetorical questions because to me the answers are obvious but to the people that have not read the scriptures the answer is not so obvious. Fire is reserved for the bad fruit. Make no mistake about it.

Fruit though will not be picked until it has matured. If a person repents they may be saved. God knows the heart and He will judge.

Originally posted by anarchist-rebel
So jenny, how do you as a christian differ from the previous christians in the past? Just curious.


You make a HUGE assumption about me and what my beliefs are.

There is no justification for this, but there are sickos in every religion.

I can understand that. There's always one bad person in a group that gets everyone labeled. But what other religion has been as violent as christians?

But what other God is real? The only one who matters to Satan, the only one he really needs to hurt, is the one True God, Yahweh. Satan truly needs for people to believe that Yahweh is just a terrible war lord, or a cruel, vengeful father that likes to see people suffer. What better way than using YAHWEHS name to bring suffering and war?

I think you have to look at the culture and social climate of these people. They were violent before Christianity came into the picture. Culture can influence ones understanding of and interpretation of any text.

Exposing Christianity?

More like exposing human power struggles, for whatever reason. Christianity did not have a loving influence on these men at that time.

Sad how the sacrifice of the loving and compassionate Christ led to men using His teachings to enslave and kill others.

Today, thankfully, the more famous only rip off old people on the tv.

Misuse of power. Common to humankind. Look higher. Don't blame it on the teachings of Christ. He would have taken a whip to them.

The Roman Catholic church is a political entity. They decided what interpretations of scripture were allowed or disallowed. The modern bible is a collection of council approved texts, by humans, not God.