Originally posted by 911stinks
I always get a chuckle how evolutionists explain how the fish walked out of the water, dropped its gills, and got a tan instead of cooking from the heat of the sun.

And I too laugh at the notion the the perfect GOD almighty went to all that trouble to create certain animals only to have them become extinct.

Sure the concept of evolution might have a few flaws, but the Bible is also fraught with contradiction, mistranslations and misinterpretation.

Originally posted by NichirasuKenshin

Originally posted by 911stinks

Originally posted by kinda kurious


I always get a chuckle how evolutionists explain how the fish walked out of the water, dropped its gills, and got a tan instead of cooking from the heat of the sun.


[edit on 7-3-2010 by 911stinks]

Neither Darwin, nor any other scientist in the field of Biology since at least Lamarck (not even him in the way you imply) has entertained the notion that an individiual fish walked out of the water to become something else within his lifetime. You clearly don't understand evolution.

[edit on 7-3-2010 by NichirasuKenshin]

I'm 44 yrs old. I have spent most of my life trying to understand why, how, who, etc.

Evolution, to me, has wayyy to many holes. And the problem with it, to me, is it teaches survival of the fittest, to humans.

We see examples that that theory doesn't hold up all or even alot of the time.

And survival of the fittest creates mean people. People destined to build bigger and better killing machines, instead of a people who band together to grow food, make clothes, hunt and gather.

Originally posted by kinda kurious

Originally posted by 911stinks
I always get a chuckle how evolutionists explain how the fish walked out of the water, dropped its gills, and got a tan instead of cooking from the heat of the sun.

And I too laugh at the notion the the perfect GOD almighty went to all that trouble to create certain animals only to have them become extinct.

Sure the concept of evolution might have a few flaws, but the Bible is also fraught with contradiction, mistranslations and misinterpretation.

I've always felt that God put everything on earth for man to use. How we use it is up to us. Some resources will be used up, or even not useful to man.

Originally posted by 911stinks

Originally posted by NichirasuKenshin

Originally posted by 911stinks

Originally posted by kinda kurious


I always get a chuckle how evolutionists explain how the fish walked out of the water, dropped its gills, and got a tan instead of cooking from the heat of the sun.


[edit on 7-3-2010 by 911stinks]

Neither Darwin, nor any other scientist in the field of Biology since at least Lamarck (not even him in the way you imply) has entertained the notion that an individiual fish walked out of the water to become something else within his lifetime. You clearly don't understand evolution.

[edit on 7-3-2010 by NichirasuKenshin]

I'm 44 yrs old. I have spent most of my life trying to understand why, how, who, etc.

Evolution, to me, has wayyy to many holes. And the problem with it, to me, is it teaches survival of the fittest, to humans.

We see examples that that theory doesn't hold up all or even alot of the time.

And survival of the fittest creates mean people. People destined to build bigger and better killing machines, instead of a people who band together to grow food, make clothes, hunt and gather.

You haven't pointed out a single hole. Just straw-men.

Please list the examples that don't hold up, not just spread rumours about them.

People were mean long before Darwin came along. They've been building bigger and better killing machines for thousands of years before the advent of modern biology or the modern scientific method. Genocide predates Evolutionism.

In no time of history have people simply banded together to grow food, make clothes, hunt and gather. Please correct me if I'm wrong. But that's simply utopian poppicock. Or tell me what culture resp. what time in history you are referring to.?

[edit on 7-3-2010 by NichirasuKenshin]

Patience, everyone. Don't you all see how this experiment is set up? Group "A" is taught a standard curriculum, including the sciences. Group "B" is taught a series of random curricula including superstitions of various sorts, but minus the sciences. The two groups are then released into 21st century society. The results will be self-evident in just a few years.

Originally posted by DJW001
Patience, everyone. Don't you all see how this experiment is set up? Group "A" is taught a standard curriculum, including the sciences. Group "B" is taught a series of random curricula including superstitions of various sorts, but minus the sciences. The two groups are then released into 21st century society. The results will be self-evident in just a few years.

Yes, in other words, group A establishes a rigid, this is how it is because we say so, and group B establishes an education that allows thinking outside the box, and that there is a certain magic and mystery to life that always keeps all inclusive knowledge just out of reach for a purpose.

Originally posted by drwizardphd
Different, indeed. But more importantly, they are not mutually exclusive fields of thought.

Evolution is a fact. That's pretty much universally accepted among the scientific and educated community. However, there is still no definite explanation for creation. Evolution is simply the progress life has taken since the point of creation. Evolution does not explain how creation occurred. To think you must believe one or the other is a logical fallacy.

I feel sorry for the children who are not being taught evolution because of their parent's beliefs. They won't ever get the chance to make up their minds, and their understanding of the world will be forever limited.

This post is simultaneously correct and incorrect from a Christian perspective. You see you have the smart Christians, these are the ones who recognise that evolution is a fact and is not a threat to their faith. They believe in a God and that God just set evolution up. These Christians can still become scientists, great scientists.

Then you have the hard line (extremist) Christians who believe every single word in the Bible is true and therefore evolution must be false because god made everything, world is only 6000 years old etc. Well i say they believe every word, but you still see lots of them wearing nylon

The sad part is that when these children grow up, maybe some of them, albeit it a very small percentage will want to go to university and maybe take a science discipline and when they do they'll have to write down their creationist beliefs and of course the professors will fail them. They will be ridiculed for their ignorance and it will set them back years as they discover that they need to learn about evolution, and they will have to unlearn the lies that creation textbooks teach them about evolution.

Originally posted by kinda kurious

Originally posted by jephers0n
I'm not a creationist, and I adhere to the evolution THEORY, personally.
But since there isn't a way to PROVE it without ANY doubt, it is still just that...
A widely accepted THEORY ...

So then you must naturally agree that the story in the Bile (Christianity) is also just a theory since there are so many other religions, correct?

BTW, I agree with you.

[edit on 7-3-2010 by kinda kurious]

I believe that the bible is just another long-running game of 'Broken-Telephone'. If the original 'word' was actually somehow given to man, by God/Creator/what-have-you, I believe that he/she/it would be ultimately pissed off about how the word has been blasphemized and re-written over the centuries to serve a different purpose...but that's another story...

It served more purpose in ancient times to give people an explanation to the biggest questions (and a lot of smaller ones) of the time. These peoples struggled with many questions which couldn't be answered in their time, whereas in our time, we posess the technology to actually assess the situation and information better. We are not smarter, by much, we just now posess more technology to show us these things, and more words now, to explain them better.

There are no magical pillars holding up the sky, for instance.
We know now that the sky is just a reflection of our own abundance of water on earth.
As above, so down below, or something to that effect.

I also believe that science and religion are no longer the different worlds that people usually tend to lump them into. The best quote of the thread:

Originally posted by Tyler 720

Both sides clearly choose fiction over fact every day.

Think about it. They're merely, different ways to explain the world/universe as we know it. One is based on evidence, and our current ability to put that evidence to use, and analyze. The other is based on the evidence, and what the ancient people 'knew' about the world/universe with their limited (compared to us) understanding of the world around them.

Don't get me wrong, I believe that all religions, fundamentally, are a tool to bring people together, and give us hope that we are all here for a reason.

BUT,

The main reason for religions, in my eye, is to teach morals.

Simple, and true.


*Edit to add quote from earlier page*





[edit on 7-3-2010 by jephers0n]

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984

Originally posted by drwizardphd

I feel sorry for the children who are not being taught evolution because of their parent's beliefs. They won't ever get the chance to make up their minds, and their understanding of the world will be forever limited.

The sad part is that when these children grow up, maybe some of them, albeit it a very small percentage will want to go to university and maybe take a science discipline and when they do they'll have to write down their creationist beliefs and of course the professors will fail them. They will be ridiculed for their ignorance and it will set them back years as they discover that they need to learn about evolution, and they will have to unlearn the lies that creation textbooks teach them about evolution.

The church of evolution has been shown to be one whos membership is full with fabricators, plagiarizers, liers, manufactures of evidence, undisciplined thinkers and dreamers. Their ministers like chicken hawks, await new arrivals from the outbacks, evey year at university.

[edit on 7-3-2010 by Logarock]