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Originally posted by olivi
I really belive there is a war on terrorism...and that people die...on both sides...
Originally posted by iamoverrated
Not saying I don't agree with your title, but whats with all the anti-Israel stuff being posted on here lately?
The War on Terror exist to the same extent that The War On Drugs exist. Its a never ending war fueled by bureaucratic nonsense and a fake sense of fear to appeal to the masses. The War On Drugs was used to scare middle (average) American parents in the 80's and now The War On Terror is being used as an excuse to scare the sh#t out of all Americans. Its a tool of manipulation used to extend unconstitutional legislation and to rape Americans of their liberties. Its a tool used to extend our fake empire across the world and for us to police foreign nations. Lastly, its a tool for stirring up false patriotism. Its more of an idea or mindset than an actual war... besides I didn't see a declaration of war from congress on either.
Originally posted by Dark Ghost
While the definition of and reasons given to support the "War on Terror" are highly questionable, the actual war taking place is very real. People on different sides are fighting, hurting and mistreating each other. People are getting killed and it is being done in the context of War.
There is such a thing called the "War On Terrorism" but in reality it is a war that was waged by the Global Elite on human beings they consider inferior and less worthy of freedom.
[edit on 6/3/2010 by Dark Ghost]
Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
The Camp of Islam wages Jihad on all non-muslims in an effort to spread their form of brutal social control called The Islamic System.
"The War on Terror" was coined by those who wish to deceive the victims and to conceal the jihad behind a cloak of western colloquialisms. It is an age-old form of deception specifically enshrined in the Islamic culture: deception and lying in any form for any reason is acceptable to their deity, Allah, if it assists on making Islam dominant over all the planet.
While the Islamic world insists it is all going to be ok once they wipe the Evil Jews from the face of the planet, we all know it will not. The Jihad will continue until we stop it. If Islam dares to use nuclear devices, we should immediately wipe Mecca and Medina from the face of the planet.
Committing Suicide is a Major Sin:
Bukhari Volume 2, Book 23, Number 445:
Narrated Jundab the Prophet said, “A man was inflicted with wounds and he committed suicide, and so Allah said: My slave has caused death on himself hurriedly, so I forbid Paradise for him.”
Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 73:
Narrated Thabit bin Ad-Dahhak: ”And if somebody commits suicide with anything in this world, he will be tortured with that very thing on the Day of Resurrection.
There are many more Hadiths condemning suicide but I would also like to reference the Qur’an. Amongst the many verses against suicide here is one that makes it very clear that the taking of one’s life is strongly prohibited and that there is no reward for anyone who does that.
Quote:
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But let there be amongst you Traffic and trade by mutual good-will: Nor kill (or destroy) yourselves: for verily God hath been to you Most Merciful!
If any do that in rancour and injustice,- soon shall We cast them into the Fire: And easy it is for God.
Qur’an 4:29 – 4:30
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So where did the reward of 72 virgins in paradise for suicide come from? Are there any Islamic teachings we can point to endorsing that?
When we look at the highest authority in Islam, the Quran, we find nothing in it endorsing rewards for suicide. Instead we find the strongest condemnation with severe punishments for those who commit suicide. When we look at Hadiths, which after the Quran is second in authority in Islam, we find nothing in the authentic Bukhari and Muslim Hadiths endorsing suicide. Instead we find strong condemnation for it.
Searching what Muslims refer to as Gharib Hadiths (weak or strange Hadiths) we do find something about 72 wives but not virgins.
Originally posted by namenone1
reply to post by Kingdom of darkness
Please do your research before you make assumptions. Nuking Mecca will only create more trouble for you, and you will come complaining to us why we are bombing and killing you.
Committing Suicide is a Major Sin:
Bukhari Volume 2, Book 23, Number 445:
Narrated Jundab the Prophet said, “A man was inflicted with wounds and he committed suicide, and so Allah said: My slave has caused death on himself hurriedly, so I forbid Paradise for him.”
Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 73:
Narrated Thabit bin Ad-Dahhak: ”And if somebody commits suicide with anything in this world, he will be tortured with that very thing on the Day of Resurrection.
There are many more Hadiths condemning suicide but I would also like to reference the Qur’an. Amongst the many verses against suicide here is one that makes it very clear that the taking of one’s life is strongly prohibited and that there is no reward for anyone who does that.
Quote:
——————————————————————————–
But let there be amongst you Traffic and trade by mutual good-will: Nor kill (or destroy) yourselves: for verily God hath been to you Most Merciful!
If any do that in rancour and injustice,- soon shall We cast them into the Fire: And easy it is for God.
Qur’an 4:29 – 4:30
——————————————————————————–
So where did the reward of 72 virgins in paradise for suicide come from? Are there any Islamic teachings we can point to endorsing that?
When we look at the highest authority in Islam, the Quran, we find nothing in it endorsing rewards for suicide. Instead we find the strongest condemnation with severe punishments for those who commit suicide. When we look at Hadiths, which after the Quran is second in authority in Islam, we find nothing in the authentic Bukhari and Muslim Hadiths endorsing suicide. Instead we find strong condemnation for it.
Searching what Muslims refer to as Gharib Hadiths (weak or strange Hadiths) we do find something about 72 wives but not virgins.
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[edit on 31-3-2010 by namenone1]
Me? buddy i did not say anything about nuking mecca or medina...OBVIOUSLY you do not know how to read.
Let's also talk about muhammed and how he forbids dogs in the house. another "Made up" hadith right? How many made up hadits exist.
Also let's talk about "Infidels" and how we are going to be killed if we aren't muslims. Oh please tell me oh wise one because you accused me of things.
Islam is against killing of a single soul without justice; it completely detests killing innocent people whether they be Muslims or otherwise. Quran has addressed this thus,
'whoever slays a soul, unless it be for murder or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew entire mankind; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept entire mankind alive'; ... (Quran 5:32)
With respect to infidels, my belief is that this word is a synonym for the word 'Kaafir' in Quran with respect to the question under discussion. If that is the case, it needs to be said that non-believers who live in the age of messengers of God are a different class and category than non-believers otherwise. It is for this reason that in the history of mankind, whenever a messenger of God came to a nation, he proved his messenger ship clearly and plainly to his nation so much so that they had no confusion about him being a bearer of truth. As a result, those people who, after having known the truth, still denied the messenger were passed on a judgment in this world by the Almighty. In case of polytheists, this judgment was in form of their annihilation, for example the great flood on Noah (pbuh)'s nation when those who rejected his message were drowned. A similar fate was decided by the Almighty on the people of Lot (pbuh), Abraham (pbuh), Salih (pbuh) and other messengers.
It needs to be understood in this context that at the end of the mission of Muhammad (pbuh) when God, in his absolute Knowledge, knew that those who were rejecting faith were not rejecting because they had any confusion with regards to it, rather they were rejecting out of mere arrogance and pride, He commanded Muslims to slay down those 'infidels' from amongst the polytheists. The Jews and Christians, on the other hand, because they belonged to monotheistic faith, were to be fought against until they became politically subservient to Muslims. This was done after providing both the idolaters and the people of the Book (Jews and Christians) sufficient time to understand whether Muhammad (pbuh) was a real messenger of God and the message he brought forward was actually the message from God.
This is God's law specific to messengers as I have explained above. Since a messenger of God is not living with us anymore, and we do not know that which is in the hearts of people, we cannot call them 'infidels' and commit such acts. In a time such as today, every soul must continue to strive to find the truth and live by it.
Get lost buddy. I bet you were one of the people who "threatened" me. Only "Allah" knows how. Amirite?
Let's also talk about the muslims who drink "Wine" Which is also strictly forbidden.
What is your deal man.....You're make threats about who?
Originally posted by namenone1
reply to post by Kingdom of darkness
Also let's talk about "Infidels" and how we are going to be killed if we aren't muslims. Oh please tell me oh wise one because you accused me of things.
Islam is against killing of a single soul without justice; it completely detests killing innocent people whether they be Muslims or otherwise. Quran has addressed this thus,
'whoever slays a soul, unless it be for murder or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew entire mankind; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept entire mankind alive'; ... (Quran 5:32)
With respect to infidels, my belief is that this word is a synonym for the word 'Kaafir' in Quran with respect to the question under discussion. If that is the case, it needs to be said that non-believers who live in the age of messengers of God are a different class and category than non-believers otherwise. It is for this reason that in the history of mankind, whenever a messenger of God came to a nation, he proved his messenger ship clearly and plainly to his nation so much so that they had no confusion about him being a bearer of truth. As a result, those people who, after having known the truth, still denied the messenger were passed on a judgment in this world by the Almighty. In case of polytheists, this judgment was in form of their annihilation, for example the great flood on Noah (pbuh)'s nation when those who rejected his message were drowned. A similar fate was decided by the Almighty on the people of Lot (pbuh), Abraham (pbuh), Salih (pbuh) and other messengers.
It needs to be understood in this context that at the end of the mission of Muhammad (pbuh) when God, in his absolute Knowledge, knew that those who were rejecting faith were not rejecting because they had any confusion with regards to it, rather they were rejecting out of mere arrogance and pride, He commanded Muslims to slay down those 'infidels' from amongst the polytheists. The Jews and Christians, on the other hand, because they belonged to monotheistic faith, were to be fought against until they became politically subservient to Muslims. This was done after providing both the idolaters and the people of the Book (Jews and Christians) sufficient time to understand whether Muhammad (pbuh) was a real messenger of God and the message he brought forward was actually the message from God.
This is God's law specific to messengers as I have explained above. Since a messenger of God is not living with us anymore, and we do not know that which is in the hearts of people, we cannot call them 'infidels' and commit such acts. In a time such as today, every soul must continue to strive to find the truth and live by it.
OK. WHAT A LOAD OF BS!!
ORDERS TO KILL... ANYONE CAN LOOK THIS UP THEMSELVES IN QURAN:
Quran / Islam list to "KILL", 2:190, 2:193, 2:216, 2:244, 2:246, 3:13, 3:167, 4:74, 4:75, 4:76, 4:77, 4:84, 5:24, 8:39, 8:57, 9:12, 9:13, 9:14, 9:29, 9:36, 9:83, 9:111, 9:123, 16:81, 22:39, 33:25, 48:16, 61:4, 73:20
another muslim practicing taqiyya. don't try it with me as i am well versed in islam! send me threats and see if i care. i'm old and tired and could care less!!
oh and we wouldn't need to nuke mecca. just drop tons of bacon grease on it lol
[edit on 15-4-2010 by frwdobsrvr2004]