A Step Forward for Law Enforcement, and Even Some on ATS will be Happy!, page 1

Hey all. Tonight we had a command meeting at my agency to impliment a new system for us to wear. The system is called VIDMIC and it is a standard radio mic with a new audio/video/capture feature that helps give people a true view of what an officer see's and does.

Company Site:
www.ehsequipment.com...

Anyway, I bring this up because as we all know there is definitly a love/hate relationship between some ATS members and cops, for whatever reason. But the key I wanted to mention here was, my department is 875 officers strong, and when told we would be going to these mic's, EVERYONE was in support. Yes, can you guys believe it, the pigs, nazi's, lying scum, fat lazy, good for nothing cops all agreed it would be a good idea to go to this system. So much for wanting to cover up everything!

These mic's will allow us as law enforcement to show the people exactly what we see. Dash Cam's are fine for traffic stops, but many things we do that get us FALSE COMPLAINTS, FALSE STATEMENTS, FALSE USE OF FORCE COMPLAINTS happen away from the car, inside homes, foot chases, business's, etc... This mic will now cover all those areas and leave us with solid video evidence of what really happened. I look forward to using it and I think the public should be happy about us getting them. (Well, maybe not, there $700 a pop, but hey, its worth it for those who don't trust us...IMO)

Here is a quick example video from VIDMIC! It gives you a view never seen before by people. ***THIS IS A TRAINING VIDEO, NOT REAL***




I wanted to find out what you guys thought of such a tool. I know some of you with pure hate for my profession SHOULD welcome these, but we shall see. Either way, thoughts?

reply to post by rcwj1975

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Ever since i came to ATS, i have learned that photo's and video's are not always what they appear to be. I had no idea that digital images could be manipulated to such an extend that you could not tell the difference between reality and fiction.

I believe it will be a handy tool but i hope it will not be used as evidence for or against anything. That would be really bad IMHO...

Peace

[edit on 5-3-2010 by operation mindcrime]

reply to post by ganjoa

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Am i the only paranoid in the house here??

Although i can see the advantages of this system, isn't it just as likely to be a tool to be misused?

Like planting drugs or a gun on somebody who got shot. Try making your case against an officer who almost beat you to death when his CGI video capture clearly shows you holding a CGI gun.

I really have no idea if it is even possible to edit video material in this way but i tend to believe nothing is impossible.

Peace

reply to post by rcwj1975

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Hey rcwj1975, I for one appreciate the threads that you have brought to us that show the other side of things..I've posted much dis-content with our current law enforcement practices and have made it pretty obvious where I stand on that position...with that said, I do appreciate your threads here, and the service other *good* cops have given to this country. I say this now in part because..

In light of a beloved ATS member recently passing, (whom I didn't even know, yet was moved strongly by the recent happening) I feel the strong desire to appreciate us all as human beings a little bit more than what is often displayed here on ATS. Good people *do* exsist and that is evident everywhere, including police officers.

Back to the topic at hand..thank you for the thread. The training vid does show this tech could be useful! I wonder if a taser might have been a better option in this case tho??

Edit: s&F btw

[edit on 6-3-2010 by Wookiep]

Classic example:

reply to post by defcon5

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You make a good point...I wonder if this new tech will prohibit the act of turning the cam off tho? I guess I can see where it would be a problem if there was a claimed "glitch" in the camera by the officer which is sure to happen...but if it happens regularly then surely people will notice, and the new tech would have to be fixed by populous demand?

[edit on 6-3-2010 by Wookiep]

Too bad attempts at independent video monitoring of the police get so much harassment:

www.youtube.com...

joshwolf.net...

“You’ll be the first one cited and released,” the officer reassured me as I protested my unlawful detention. While I was the first to be led away in handcuffs, this wasn’t the “catch and release” operation the cop had suggested it was. I actually wouldn’t be released until six that evening. It was 10:30AM, and I was just about to take a break from filming and grab something for breakfast. I knew I should’ve eaten before I left, but had wanted to begin filming as early as possible. I attended the protests as a journalist, and had been actively working to stay out of the officers’ way as I filmed the various actions commemorating the five-year anniversary of the war. I don’t pretend to be neutral; I marched down the streets in a state of rage and sadness the day the bombs first dropped, but I was clearly acting as a news gatherer at the time of my arrest. The police didn’t care, and throughout the day several other journalists would find themselves imprisoned for reporting on the day’s dissent.

joshwolf.net...

Josh is the longest jailed journalist in US history for committing journalism November 21st, 2006 NEW! Sign the Free Josh Wolf petition! Josh Wolf, freelance journalist and independent videographer, is currently in “coercive custody” at the Federal Detention Facility in Dublin, California. He is not charged with any crime and is being held under civil contempt. Wolf was incarcerated in July 2006 after resisting a subpoena to testify before a Federal Grand jury and for refusing to turn over his source material for video he shot of a San Francisco protest against the G8 Summit in 2005. His incarceration is virtually unprecedented. As of February 6 he is now the longest imprisoned journalist in U.S. history for failure to comply with a subpoena.

reply to post by rcwj1975

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I've been working on something like this for the past 5 months. Hopefully they'll tolerate competition. IMHO, it's a good thing for the cops, and the population as a whole. The concern that I have is that the audio and video is sent 'off-site' to an encrypted third party storage where the audio/video can't be so much as viewed without a court order. This would make sure that evidence isn't 'lost'.

Actually, the system as I envision it could be worn by anybody, mounted in a vehicle with data capture (speed, direction, time, etc...), used in real time by commanders for safety, and rescue operations.

At one time I considered all the video surveillance to be a bad thing, but have embraced that the only counter is to have everything, and everybody wired up for their own safety, and protection from those that would alter or change events for their own gain.

I'm sure it's a very cool system, but it's no where near as robust as what it could/should be. At the moment it's better than nothing.

reply to post by SpacePunk

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You'd better hurry it up then because Microsoft is right behind you...

SenseCam



Peace

reply to post by operation mindcrime

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Yeah this stuff is not to monitor the cops it's to identify potential criminals --

www.l1id.com...

Mobile Identification: Portable and wireless finger, face and iris systems for on-the-spot, field identification.

Originally posted by operation mindcrime
reply to post by ganjoa

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Am i the only paranoid in the house here??

Although i can see the advantages of this system, isn't it just as likely to be a tool to be misused?

Like planting drugs or a gun on somebody who got shot. Try making your case against an officer who almost beat you to death when his CGI video capture clearly shows you holding a CGI gun.

I really have no idea if it is even possible to edit video material in this way but i tend to believe nothing is impossible.

Peace

You said it yourself. You're far too paranoid. It's the people like you that hold society back from advancing.

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