Outstanding work, Melissa101.
The Book of Enoch is, IMO, a hugely untapped and unknown resource that would enable many Christians to come into fellowship with their brothers and
sisters who suffer supernatural occurrences and relieve them.
Believing it is possible is a necessary first step. Enoch introduces non-human beings to Christians in a specific, nonnegotiable, straightforward
manner that brooks no argument.
As with all learning, this should provoke us to ask more questions, be ready to open our minds to new levels of understanding, and to know again that
all things are possible with God. He has provided answers if we are only willing to seek them, and stop believing that we know everything already.
Mainstream Christianity has only a few answers, and they are not enough.
We must seek more, and it is in Enoch that we will find it.
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Topic started on 5-3-2010 @ 10:00 PM by Melissa101
Occultism and Satanism is the same thing. Part 3: Giants and Monsters Oh my!
Hello, this is thread 3 and 4. I decided to combine them since I was unable to post a thread yesterday. I will do the conclusion tomorrow by bringing it all together. I will not go into Aliens or Demons in their very own thread because I believe I can tie this up without dragging it out any more than necessary.
This is where things get interesting. After reading the book of Enoch I started to put more things together. There are many steps to the puzzle I am still working on but the 2 previous threads and this 1 are the most important elements that I thought I should actually write about.
In the Bible the book of Genesis is so full of very important information that is so often over looked. Yes we all know about the main stories like Creation, Adam and Eve and Noah’s Ark to name a few. But what most people do not know are the rest of these stories. The one that is important here is the story of the angels mating with humans. In Genesis 6 we are told that the world will be destroyed because evil has run ramped. Or at least that is what we are all taught and that is the end of what we are taught; but there is so much more. When studying prophecy I was reading Matthew because Jesus tells us a wealth of information in Matthew about the end times. Something struck me in Mat 24:37- But as the days of Noe were so shall also be the coming of the son of man. Well I knew people did not believe Noah, and I new the world was corrupt at the time of Noah but this just did not seem to be the whole story. So I went back and read about what was going on in the day’s of Noah (Gen 6:2-7) and well I found something interesting but as I researched I found that I the rest of the story was in the book of Enoch. The son’s of God had come to earth as watchers over the earth but they fell in love with the daughters of man. And the angels decided to take these woman as their wives, they each chose one and mated thus bearing Giants. These angels had taught their wives and offspring things that were unknown to man until this time. Here is an excerpt out of the book of Enoch that tells the details:
1Moreover Azazyel taught men to make swords, knives, shields, breastplates, the fabrication of mirrors, and the workmanship of bracelets and ornaments, the use of paint, the beautifying of the eyebrows, the use of stones of every valuable and select kind, and all sorts of dyes, so that the world became altered.
2Impiety increased; fornication multiplied; and they transgressed and corrupted all their ways.
3Amazarak taught all the sorcerers, and dividers of roots:
4Armers taught the solution of sorcery;
5Barkayal taught the observers of the stars, (astronomy)
6Akibeel taught signs;
7Tamiel taught astronomy;
8And Asaradel taught the motion of the moon.
So God destroyed the world to rid it of these Giants and these sins. He then locked up the angels under the earth. So why did Noah escape, why was he given the privilege to survive? Well Gen 6:9, Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations. So what does that mean? Noah’s DNA had not been tainted! Ok, so I got to thinking, well I have calculated every which way but loose the end times by the clues found in the Bible and they all point to right about now, well the tribulation and then the return of Jesus around 2017 (APROX) so what in the world is going on today that could be kin to what was going on in the days of Noah? Hum, tainted DNA? What about bioengineering and genetics or cloning? Then as I researched these things I realized that these things are used to cure cancer and other diseases and I thought you Devil! You have taken exactly what is going to be used to corrupt the earth again for its final destruction and you are selling it to folks under the good name of curing heart wrenching diseases, you bastard! God called the Giants that were the offspring of the angels and human women bastards so I figured I could call Satan a bastard. Any who see how twisted and manipulative and deceiving he is? He can take something that seems like it is a blessing from God to cover the reality. And guess what we are all buying it; we aren’t just buying it we are begging for it.
At this point I was aware of all of many of his deceitfulness that is disguised as good (or else who would follow it) like Christmas and Easter. But I started to look for other things that looked “good” and was in reality Satan’s masking. I started to see it everywhere.
Examples:
Drugs open your mind so you can expand your thinking (with prior knowledge and this new knowledge this would be kin to opening the third eye or a form of Satanism disguised as something harmless).
The Christmas tree was used in other religious practices a very long time before Jesus (Jeremiah 10:2-5) 2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. 3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. 4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. 5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good. When Christianity was formed many of these Pagan rituals were incorporated into the worship of Jesus to attract more members.
Scientology, well would you worship Demons if you knew they were Demons? No most people would not, so Scientology was born to mask the true identity of aliens, they are nothing more than Demons and Scientology is nothing more than Satanic rituals renamed and reformed to trap people who have not put the dots together into worshiping Satan and his demons under something that looks harmless. Using your mind to call up aliens is the same as using your mind to summon demons.
Wicca or Witches or Druids use a horned God (hum that does not sound like Satan at all) and the pentagram the same one used in satanic worship. They also often use circles and stand in circles chanting this is the same method used to call up demons in Satanism. The Star of David or the hexagram is also used at times, See what people fail to realize is that the worship of Satan uses many geometric shapes because scientifically they work (don’t ask that is whole other book two, look it up). The Eye of Horus, if you are on ATS you should know this one. Casting spells is nothing more than cursing someone like in Satanism. It does not matter what the symbols mean to you or that you think you are all about love and harmony (that is what you are supposed to think otherwise no one would fall for this crap) it is not what it seems, it is not OK it is not good and many people become unknowingly possessed by messing with stuff they have no real comprehension of. If you are able to perform Wiccan spells or magic you are undoubtedly possessed.
If you study demonology you will discover other links and with this knowledge other light bulbs will go off giving you many more examples; Paranormal Activity and Ghosts to name a couple. Or if you just start looking you will see more connections.
Here is a link to the Book of Enoch: www.ancienttexts.org...
Hello, this is thread 3 and 4. I decided to combine them since I was unable to post a thread yesterday. I will do the conclusion tomorrow by bringing it all together. I will not go into Aliens or Demons in their very own thread because I believe I can tie this up without dragging it out any more than necessary.
This is where things get interesting. After reading the book of Enoch I started to put more things together. There are many steps to the puzzle I am still working on but the 2 previous threads and this 1 are the most important elements that I thought I should actually write about.
In the Bible the book of Genesis is so full of very important information that is so often over looked. Yes we all know about the main stories like Creation, Adam and Eve and Noah’s Ark to name a few. But what most people do not know are the rest of these stories. The one that is important here is the story of the angels mating with humans. In Genesis 6 we are told that the world will be destroyed because evil has run ramped. Or at least that is what we are all taught and that is the end of what we are taught; but there is so much more. When studying prophecy I was reading Matthew because Jesus tells us a wealth of information in Matthew about the end times. Something struck me in Mat 24:37- But as the days of Noe were so shall also be the coming of the son of man. Well I knew people did not believe Noah, and I new the world was corrupt at the time of Noah but this just did not seem to be the whole story. So I went back and read about what was going on in the day’s of Noah (Gen 6:2-7) and well I found something interesting but as I researched I found that I the rest of the story was in the book of Enoch. The son’s of God had come to earth as watchers over the earth but they fell in love with the daughters of man. And the angels decided to take these woman as their wives, they each chose one and mated thus bearing Giants. These angels had taught their wives and offspring things that were unknown to man until this time. Here is an excerpt out of the book of Enoch that tells the details:
1Moreover Azazyel taught men to make swords, knives, shields, breastplates, the fabrication of mirrors, and the workmanship of bracelets and ornaments, the use of paint, the beautifying of the eyebrows, the use of stones of every valuable and select kind, and all sorts of dyes, so that the world became altered.
2Impiety increased; fornication multiplied; and they transgressed and corrupted all their ways.
3Amazarak taught all the sorcerers, and dividers of roots:
4Armers taught the solution of sorcery;
5Barkayal taught the observers of the stars, (astronomy)
6Akibeel taught signs;
7Tamiel taught astronomy;
8And Asaradel taught the motion of the moon.
So God destroyed the world to rid it of these Giants and these sins. He then locked up the angels under the earth. So why did Noah escape, why was he given the privilege to survive? Well Gen 6:9, Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations. So what does that mean? Noah’s DNA had not been tainted! Ok, so I got to thinking, well I have calculated every which way but loose the end times by the clues found in the Bible and they all point to right about now, well the tribulation and then the return of Jesus around 2017 (APROX) so what in the world is going on today that could be kin to what was going on in the days of Noah? Hum, tainted DNA? What about bioengineering and genetics or cloning? Then as I researched these things I realized that these things are used to cure cancer and other diseases and I thought you Devil! You have taken exactly what is going to be used to corrupt the earth again for its final destruction and you are selling it to folks under the good name of curing heart wrenching diseases, you bastard! God called the Giants that were the offspring of the angels and human women bastards so I figured I could call Satan a bastard. Any who see how twisted and manipulative and deceiving he is? He can take something that seems like it is a blessing from God to cover the reality. And guess what we are all buying it; we aren’t just buying it we are begging for it.
At this point I was aware of all of many of his deceitfulness that is disguised as good (or else who would follow it) like Christmas and Easter. But I started to look for other things that looked “good” and was in reality Satan’s masking. I started to see it everywhere.
Examples:
Drugs open your mind so you can expand your thinking (with prior knowledge and this new knowledge this would be kin to opening the third eye or a form of Satanism disguised as something harmless).
The Christmas tree was used in other religious practices a very long time before Jesus (Jeremiah 10:2-5) 2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. 3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. 4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. 5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good. When Christianity was formed many of these Pagan rituals were incorporated into the worship of Jesus to attract more members.
Scientology, well would you worship Demons if you knew they were Demons? No most people would not, so Scientology was born to mask the true identity of aliens, they are nothing more than Demons and Scientology is nothing more than Satanic rituals renamed and reformed to trap people who have not put the dots together into worshiping Satan and his demons under something that looks harmless. Using your mind to call up aliens is the same as using your mind to summon demons.
Wicca or Witches or Druids use a horned God (hum that does not sound like Satan at all) and the pentagram the same one used in satanic worship. They also often use circles and stand in circles chanting this is the same method used to call up demons in Satanism. The Star of David or the hexagram is also used at times, See what people fail to realize is that the worship of Satan uses many geometric shapes because scientifically they work (don’t ask that is whole other book two, look it up). The Eye of Horus, if you are on ATS you should know this one. Casting spells is nothing more than cursing someone like in Satanism. It does not matter what the symbols mean to you or that you think you are all about love and harmony (that is what you are supposed to think otherwise no one would fall for this crap) it is not what it seems, it is not OK it is not good and many people become unknowingly possessed by messing with stuff they have no real comprehension of. If you are able to perform Wiccan spells or magic you are undoubtedly possessed.
If you study demonology you will discover other links and with this knowledge other light bulbs will go off giving you many more examples; Paranormal Activity and Ghosts to name a couple. Or if you just start looking you will see more connections.
Here is a link to the Book of Enoch: www.ancienttexts.org...
reply posted on 5-3-2010 @ 10:36 PM by XXXN3O
reply to post by Melissa101
Been following your threads Melissa.
Keep it up.
God Bless
At present I came across a passage in scripture...
Joshua 10:13
Notice the reference to "Jasher"?
Open your bible and the book of Jasher is not there so why does the bible reference it?
I am currently trying to investigate this and I will be making a thread on it at some point when I find the answers.
I do not trust the internet to give me the information
So far it seems to be a piece of scripture that was taken from the bible due it damaging the catholic church from what I am coming across as well as other quite frankly scary things.
Just mentioning in case it interests you.
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Been following your threads Melissa.
Keep it up.
God Bless
At present I came across a passage in scripture...
Joshua 10:13
And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
Notice the reference to "Jasher"?
Open your bible and the book of Jasher is not there so why does the bible reference it?
I am currently trying to investigate this and I will be making a thread on it at some point when I find the answers.
I do not trust the internet to give me the information
So far it seems to be a piece of scripture that was taken from the bible due it damaging the catholic church from what I am coming across as well as other quite frankly scary things.
Just mentioning in case it interests you.
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reply posted on 5-3-2010 @ 10:39 PM by Melissa101
reply to post by Copperflower
Thanks Copperflower,
It is interesting that Christianity in general does not teach many importatn things. Like casting out demons, this should be one of the most important things Churches do. I believe not doing these things only helps to keep more and more people away from God. People need us but we are not telling them the whole story and this leads them to believe that God is not real. The biggest conspiracy known to man is that Satan does not exsist, how easy is it then to decieve people. But faith is needed and so few are willing to even believe.
Thanks Copperflower,
It is interesting that Christianity in general does not teach many importatn things. Like casting out demons, this should be one of the most important things Churches do. I believe not doing these things only helps to keep more and more people away from God. People need us but we are not telling them the whole story and this leads them to believe that God is not real. The biggest conspiracy known to man is that Satan does not exsist, how easy is it then to decieve people. But faith is needed and so few are willing to even believe.
reply posted on 5-3-2010 @ 10:51 PM by Melissa101
reply to post by XXXN3O
XXXN3O, Thank you, your words of encouragment mean a lot.
Wow, that is GREAT! I cannot wait to read it, please U2U me when you get something. Man, you learn something new everyday. There may be vital information there and I cannot wait to hear more!
Melissa101
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XXXN3O, Thank you, your words of encouragment mean a lot.
Wow, that is GREAT! I cannot wait to read it, please U2U me when you get something. Man, you learn something new everyday. There may be vital information there and I cannot wait to hear more!
Melissa101
[edit on 5-3-2010 by Melissa101]
reply posted on 5-3-2010 @ 11:01 PM by XXXN3O
reply to post by Shadowflux
Is it not the whole point to share findings when reading scripture.
Scripture itself is multi layered in its meanings and what someone understands from one piece might add to anothers understanding in the same piece despite them having analysed it.
If someone cannot answer your criticism it does not always mean that they are false, it might simply mean that you are coming from a different understanding of a similar or the same text.
Maybe you should explain where you get your understandings from and if you already have then I would appreciate you pointing me in the right direction because I have not came across what you speak of yet?
Threads can be big and I know it was not directed towards me but I am interested in the topics.
Cheers.
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Is it not the whole point to share findings when reading scripture.
Scripture itself is multi layered in its meanings and what someone understands from one piece might add to anothers understanding in the same piece despite them having analysed it.
If someone cannot answer your criticism it does not always mean that they are false, it might simply mean that you are coming from a different understanding of a similar or the same text.
Maybe you should explain where you get your understandings from and if you already have then I would appreciate you pointing me in the right direction because I have not came across what you speak of yet?
Threads can be big and I know it was not directed towards me but I am interested in the topics.
Cheers.
[edit on 5-3-2010 by XXXN3O]
reply posted on 5-3-2010 @ 11:13 PM by Shadowflux
reply to post by Melissa101
I don't care about receiving credit, although in this instance it seems applicable, nor do I really care that you failed to reply to me. However, you failed to reply to anyone who offered even the slightest bit of information in opposition to what you were, and still are, saying.
The level of ignorance in your threads, not only of other belief systems, but of the religion your claim to follow, is almost painful. You speak not form knowledge nor from experience but simply speak to aggrandize your own ego. You imagine yourself as speaking the word of God yet you speak only of your own false doctrine.
You speak in the name of Jesus, yet all you speak is lies and falsehoods. You're testimony is false and you preach falsehoods in the name of Jesus. Correct me if I'm wrong but were we not warned of such as yourself, in the Bible, by none other than Jesus?
The reason why i find it so odd that you would not answer me or the others who offer information in opposition to your supposition is plain in the Gospel of John:
Again, I believe you need to rethink your motivations behind these threads and re-examine that which inspires you to attempt to mislead others. I believe you should also reconsider which of us is the Satanist.
I don't care about receiving credit, although in this instance it seems applicable, nor do I really care that you failed to reply to me. However, you failed to reply to anyone who offered even the slightest bit of information in opposition to what you were, and still are, saying.
The level of ignorance in your threads, not only of other belief systems, but of the religion your claim to follow, is almost painful. You speak not form knowledge nor from experience but simply speak to aggrandize your own ego. You imagine yourself as speaking the word of God yet you speak only of your own false doctrine.
You speak in the name of Jesus, yet all you speak is lies and falsehoods. You're testimony is false and you preach falsehoods in the name of Jesus. Correct me if I'm wrong but were we not warned of such as yourself, in the Bible, by none other than Jesus?
Matt 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many .
2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you
The reason why i find it so odd that you would not answer me or the others who offer information in opposition to your supposition is plain in the Gospel of John:
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Again, I believe you need to rethink your motivations behind these threads and re-examine that which inspires you to attempt to mislead others. I believe you should also reconsider which of us is the Satanist.
reply posted on 5-3-2010 @ 11:22 PM by Shadowflux
reply to post by XXXN3O
I get my understanding from passionate study, not only of scripture but of history, language and the occult. In this sense I use the meaning of "occult" as "hidden" as all great knowledge is closely guarded from the ravages of the ignorant and foolish. My passion for my studies comes simply from an intense desire to know and to understand as much as I can about the world in which I live.
If I were to point you in a direction I would suggest starting with something you are intensely interested in, it could be anything, all history is interconnected and following one path will lead you to many more questions which open yet more paths of knowledge and understanding.
If I were to suggest Biblical study I would say you should acquaint yourself well with the Gospels and then read some Apocrypha, perhaps the Gospel of Thomas, also known as the Secret Teaching of Jesus. Read the Book of Enoch as it fills in many gaps present in Genesis. Read up on the beliefs of religions contemporary to early Christianity such as Mithraism and Hermeticism, although Melissa would claim such study to be evil.
I get my understanding from passionate study, not only of scripture but of history, language and the occult. In this sense I use the meaning of "occult" as "hidden" as all great knowledge is closely guarded from the ravages of the ignorant and foolish. My passion for my studies comes simply from an intense desire to know and to understand as much as I can about the world in which I live.
If I were to point you in a direction I would suggest starting with something you are intensely interested in, it could be anything, all history is interconnected and following one path will lead you to many more questions which open yet more paths of knowledge and understanding.
If I were to suggest Biblical study I would say you should acquaint yourself well with the Gospels and then read some Apocrypha, perhaps the Gospel of Thomas, also known as the Secret Teaching of Jesus. Read the Book of Enoch as it fills in many gaps present in Genesis. Read up on the beliefs of religions contemporary to early Christianity such as Mithraism and Hermeticism, although Melissa would claim such study to be evil.
reply posted on 5-3-2010 @ 11:34 PM by XXXN3O
Originally posted by Shadowflux
reply to post by XXXN3O
I get my understanding from passionate study, not only of scripture but of history, language and the occult. In this sense I use the meaning of "occult" as "hidden" as all great knowledge is closely guarded from the ravages of the ignorant and foolish. My passion for my studies comes simply from an intense desire to know and to understand as much as I can about the world in which I live.
If I were to point you in a direction I would suggest starting with something you are intensely interested in, it could be anything, all history is interconnected and following one path will lead you to many more questions which open yet more paths of knowledge and understanding.
If I were to suggest Biblical study I would say you should acquaint yourself well with the Gospels and then read some Apocrypha, perhaps the Gospel of Thomas, also known as the Secret Teaching of Jesus. Read the Book of Enoch as it fills in many gaps present in Genesis. Read up on the beliefs of religions contemporary to early Christianity such as Mithraism and Hermeticism, although Melissa would claim such study to be evil.
Im not ignorant of history and I know where christianity came from. I understand how certain pagan holidays were used to ease the transition from pagan religions into christianity hundreds of years ago. That does not mean anything other than a state meddling in affairs.
You seem to be calling out a believer in Christ by trying to push occult knowledge on them, let me share something with you that includes some history and I would recommend that you read it based on some of your posts I have read through in relation to Melissa's threads.
Looking at biblical Jewish wedding ceremonies and looking at the message the bible gives for a reader to understand it should open itself up...
The Match (also known as Shidduch)
1st - The father gets a matchmaker to help them pick the bride, this is called "the match" in english and Shidduch in traditional Jewish language.
John 15:6 "You did not chose me, but I chose you"
John 6 v33-37 "All that the father gives to me will come to me... No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him"
God matched us to Jesus in other words and the bride must accept the fathers proposal.
The Bride Price (also known as Mohar)
2nd - The Bride Price, this was decided between the two parties and the groom would pay the price for his bride.
1Corinthians 6:20 "You are not your own. For you have been bought with a price.."
1Peter 1:18 "Knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable things... but with the precious blood.. the blood of Christ"
Jesus died for everyone, that was what we were worth and he paid it so that we might accept him, love or what? wow.
The Love Gifts (also known as Mattan)
3rd - The Love Gifts, this is where the groom would offer the bride gifts that were voluntary as an expression of love.
John 10:27-28 "My sheep hear my voice and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they shall never perish; and no one shall snatch them out of my hand"
John 14: 27 "Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you.."
John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrightousness"
John 15:11 "I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete"
Jesus gave us eternal life, peace, forgiveness and joy as gifts for us accepting him.
He did not have to do this, it was completely voluntary. (pretty good gifts huh?)
The Dowry (also known as Shallen, spoken as "Shelloween")
4th - The Dowry, this is where the father of the groom would give gifts to the bride, specifically to help equip her in a new life with the groom.
John 14:16-17 "And I will ask the Father and He will give you another helper...That is the spirit of truth"
This is a gift from God to help you live for Jesus.
Romans 12:6 "We have different gifts, according to the grace given us"
This is an actual person specific gift given to you to serve Jesus.
2Corinthians 1:21 - 22 "Now He who established us with you in Christ and anointed us is God, who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as pledge"
This word Pledge, translated into Greek is ARRABWN which is the word for ENGAGEMENT RING!
This is the gifts that God gives as the Father.
The Marriage Contract also known as (Ketubah)
5th - The marriage contract, this was a legal document outlining the bride price, the promises of the groom and the rights of the bride. At this point in the marriage ceromany the groom would offer the bride a cup but she did not have to take it, if she did take it she was saying she agrees to marry forever.
Guess what that is??
1Corinthians 11:25 "In the same way, He took the cup also after supper, saying "This cup is the new covenant in My Blood; do this as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me"
He is saying that this is the new contract signed with my blood, he paid the price with his blood, do you accept?
The Betrothal (Kiddushin)
6th - The Betrothal, after the marriage contract was signed, this meant that they were legally married but they still did not live together. Two things had to happen at this point,
1) The groom had to go away and make preparations for their lives together. During that time the Bride had to demonstrate their purity and prove that they would not sell themselves out to other suitors.
2) The groom would go back to the Fathers house and had to build an addition onto the Fathers house called the Bridal Chamber. If a Jewish Father had 5 kids, 5 additions would be added to the house if they got married. They lived in mansions over time as families grew. The father had to be satisfied that the Bridal Chamber was good enough or too his liking before they could move into it.
John 14: 2 - 3 "In my Fathers house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you and if I go to prepare a place for you, I will come again, and recieve you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also."
If it took God 6 days to create the universe, can you imagine what is waiting for us after over 2000 years of making??
The Taking also known as (The Nissuin)
7th Stage - The Taking, once the bridal chamber was completed and the Father had inspected it, he would tell the son to go and get his bride. This could take a week, a month or years in the making as the Bridal chamber had to be perfect and to the Fathers satisfaction with the craftsmanship etc. Nobody knew the hour that the decision would be made because only the Father knew.
The Bride would wait, with no contact with the groom during this time and no idea when the groom was coming to take you away. When the groom came (anytime, during the night or day) you had to be ready to leave for good, the bridegroom would blow a horn and shout, that heralded his arrival for the bride and she would run out to join him, she would be taken away to the fathers house.
1Thessalonians 4:16,17 "For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout..then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the lord in the air, and thus we shall always be with the Lord
With all of this mentioned, where does it once say that you need to focus on anything else in order to live with Christ?
If you choose to understand other areas of life that is your choice but it does not say anywhere in a bible that you must study occult knowledge to gain an understanding as I have just shown above.
With regards to the postings about dates, nobody can tell the hour as I have just shown above as well using scripture. You can still guess of course as you have free will, if anyone were to say that it is God's word, thats an entirely different thing and would be false teachings because it contradicts the bible.
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reply posted on 5-3-2010 @ 11:38 PM by Melissa101
Originally posted by Shadowflux
reply to post by Melissa101
I don't care about receiving credit, although in this instance it seems applicable, nor do I really care that you failed to reply to me. However, you failed to reply to anyone who offered even the slightest bit of information in opposition to what you were, and still are, saying.
The level of ignorance in your threads, not only of other belief systems, but of the religion your claim to follow, is almost painful. You speak not form knowledge nor from experience but simply speak to aggrandize your own ego. You imagine yourself as speaking the word of God yet you speak only of your own false doctrine.
You speak in the name of Jesus, yet all you speak is lies and falsehoods. You're testimony is false and you preach falsehoods in the name of Jesus. Correct me if I'm wrong but were we not warned of such as yourself, in the Bible, by none other than Jesus?
Matt 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many .
2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you
The reason why i find it so odd that you would not answer me or the others who offer information in opposition to your supposition is plain in the Gospel of John:
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Again, I believe you need to rethink your motivations behind these threads and re-examine that which inspires you to attempt to mislead others. I believe you should also reconsider which of us is the Satanist.
I fail to see how I am trying to be a prophet? Is it because of the math I have done with some of the numerical clues that lead me to believe we are sitting on top of the begining of the end times described in prophecy? I am not declaring this as 100% accurate or that I KNOW the end times for a fact. I used this to show how I came across what I do believe is accurate. I assure you that you did not enlighten me of the book of Enoch, not that it matters. I stated that if information that was presented would come up in another thread I would not address it becous eI did not want to jump ahead. You know you and I share the same passion for discovering the truth and unearthing knowledge to better understand much of the confusion. I too have studied many sectures of the occult and many sectures of religion and not just my own. I am not an ignorant fool going on without any knowledge of what I speak about. Because I see things differently than you does not mean I have no knowledge. I know my relationship with God I know my relationship with Jesus and the Holy Ghost. If you want to test me you have my full undivided attention. Go for it.
PS I never stated studying Satanism, the occult or anything else was evil, practicing it is. There is a difference.
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reply posted on 5-3-2010 @ 11:49 PM by Shadowflux
reply to post by XXXN3O
I meant what I said to you, not as an attack, but I wished only to answer your request for my suggestion on further research, being, personally, unacquainted with you level of knowledge I figured I'd be rather general. I apologize if I offended you.
I don't really wish to argue with you as we both have clearly different interpretations of the Bible, and, as with other esoteric material there are many levels of meaning and the interpretations and understanding of one level is no less valid than the understanding of a different level. That is not to say that I understand more than you, simply that my belief system includes a much more complicated, and at times, convoluted explanation of the ultimate meaning, which, personally, is what works best for me.
Whether or not you should study the occult to gain a deeper understanding of Christianity is purely up to you to decide. We all have our own paths that we must follow but the final goals and destination are the same.
However, I will say that one who condemns that which they know nothing about makes themselves to appear a fool.
I meant what I said to you, not as an attack, but I wished only to answer your request for my suggestion on further research, being, personally, unacquainted with you level of knowledge I figured I'd be rather general. I apologize if I offended you.
I don't really wish to argue with you as we both have clearly different interpretations of the Bible, and, as with other esoteric material there are many levels of meaning and the interpretations and understanding of one level is no less valid than the understanding of a different level. That is not to say that I understand more than you, simply that my belief system includes a much more complicated, and at times, convoluted explanation of the ultimate meaning, which, personally, is what works best for me.
Whether or not you should study the occult to gain a deeper understanding of Christianity is purely up to you to decide. We all have our own paths that we must follow but the final goals and destination are the same.
However, I will say that one who condemns that which they know nothing about makes themselves to appear a fool.
reply posted on 5-3-2010 @ 11:57 PM by XXXN3O
Originally posted by Shadowflux
reply to post by XXXN3O
However, I will say that one who condemns that which they know nothing about makes themselves to appear a fool.
I take no pride in what I have posted.
I am just quoting scripture in reference to what you have said in this thread.
reply posted on 6-3-2010 @ 12:01 AM by Shadowflux
reply to post by XXXN3O
Actually, I wasn't referring to you in the sentence which you quoted from me. I believe it is fairly apparent who I was referring to.
Actually, I wasn't referring to you in the sentence which you quoted from me. I believe it is fairly apparent who I was referring to.
reply posted on 6-3-2010 @ 12:02 AM by XXXN3O
Originally posted by Shadowflux
reply to post by XXXN3O
Actually, I wasn't referring to you in the sentence which you quoted from me. I believe it is fairly apparent who I was referring to.
Apologies, I thought you were.
Cheers.
reply posted on 6-3-2010 @ 12:16 AM by Melissa101
Originally posted by Shadowflux
reply to post by XXXN3O
I meant what I said to you, not as an attack, but I wished only to answer your request for my suggestion on further research, being, personally, unacquainted with you level of knowledge I figured I'd be rather general. I apologize if I offended you.
I don't really wish to argue with you as we both have clearly different interpretations of the Bible, and, as with other esoteric material there are many levels of meaning and the interpretations and understanding of one level is no less valid than the understanding of a different level. That is not to say that I understand more than you, simply that my belief system includes a much more complicated, and at times, convoluted explanation of the ultimate meaning, which, personally, is what works best for me.
Whether or not you should study the occult to gain a deeper understanding of Christianity is purely up to you to decide. We all have our own paths that we must follow but the final goals and destination are the same.
However, I will say that one who condemns that which they know nothing about makes themselves to appear a fool.
I have to say you are very arrogant to say that your belief system is much more complicated than someone else's. You have no idea what level of knowlegde or how complicated ones study is. We do all have the same destination but we have also all been given tasks and different things to acheive while we wait. This is not a test of who has more knowledge.
What if all the major religions started out with the same story and it slowly diverged from there
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