Words. Do they matter?, page 1
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Topic started on 5-3-2010 @ 02:06 PM by seagull
Words, or rather the emotions they convey, can be dangerous things. Used properly, they can elicit tears, joy, an appreciation of the beauty of the world around us. Used in another way, they can convey things of surpassing ugliness, too.

What's in a word? They are used, by all of us, to create a picture, a label if you will.

Think about the emotion evoked by these words below. Regardless of how you use them.

Conservative. Neo-conservative. Liberal. Progressive. Socialist. Communist. Fascist.

Labels...labels...labels...

Many are used as proud banners. These very same labels are used pejoratively.

Personally? I'm none of these. ...but by the same token, only the flipside, I'm all of these, depending upon, I sometimes think, which way the wind is blowing, and the day of the week...

Labels... Labels... Labels...

Here are some words that in the pejorative are less than kind. In and of themselves? They're, as someone pointed out to me, just sounds. Yet with hate, or other dark emotions behind them, they become something else entirely. They become weapons.

Faggot. Kike. Himey. Queer. Slope. Chink. Honkey. Whitey. The list is as endless as it is hateful, and hurtful.

All these labels are meant to hurt, meant to be hateful, meant to separate us, meant to raise one group over another. Strength through name calling...

Idiot. Stupid. Retard. Liar. Degenerate. ...again, the list is endless...hurtful...and hateful.

Quite a list, isn't it? Some of the most hurtful and hateful words in the English language...

Take a close look...Go on...now look again. Bet you've used some of these, or others just like 'em, at one time or another. I, to my everlasting shame, have. To what end? Expressing anger? Fear? Hate? All of these? Or something deeper perhaps even more shameful? Honestly? I don't know...probably don't want to, either.

What's in a name? Or a label?

Perception. Using those labels above...How am I, or you, perceiving that person? How would I be asking you to perceive that person?

As an enemy to be destroyed? As a target for destruction? An object of ridicule?

Indeed. All of those.

Calling myself, and you, out for this makes me, without a shadow of a doubt, a hypocrite of a most magnificent sort.

I would urge all of us to take a long hard look at how we use words, even if we never actually say them aloud, or type them for others to read.

I would say, regardless of how it makes me appear, and it doesn't cast me in a good light at all; that to even think these words/labels about someone else reveals that we aren't as enlightened a being as we'd like to believe.

We live our lives through words, and the emotions they convey. Through words we perceive the world around us. Think carefully of the words you would use, and the emotions you mean to elicit, lest it alter the world beyond mere perception.


reply posted on 5-3-2010 @ 02:48 PM by Sinter Klaas
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I think this topic to be important ! S&F.

In your first example you used these.


Conservative. Neo-conservative. Liberal. Progressive. Socialist. Communist. Fascist.
I would have added Anarchy, for it is the only example of a word what not only can be misinterpreted but it also is a label for various sides of the same subject.

I completely understand why you mainly label the insulting labels but I think it goes much deeper then insulting.

The problem are people them selves. People are already taking offence if they think they are getting insulted or whatever.
I do not feel insulted if some one calls me a dick, someone else might kill you for it. These people have a tendency to feel insulted even by a friendly word.

I can't even begin to count the number of explanations I had to give after a angry reply, about what I meant in the first place.

Our emotions are triggered as if they are at breaking point. Again and again they make attack or defense as the first choice without even questioning what was meant in the first place.


reply posted on 5-3-2010 @ 02:49 PM by nine-eyed-eel
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It's cruel to be kind.

Call me the worst names in the world...either the name is factually correct, or it isn't.

If the name does not factually describe me very well, then the joke's on you.

If the bad name does factually describe me...well then, the name isn't really the problem, now, is it?

The concern for removing hurtful words has the effect of making it easier for people to persist in some shameful reality...is that what you want, to keep people down, not motivated to change, and indebted to you for your oh-so-precious consideration?

(Thus, I do you a favor by pointing out that your OP reminds me of so many many lame ineffective covertly-hostile liberal pukes of my acquaintance...sweet folk, but, so often wrong and surprised...ah, well.)

Contempt and self-contempt are precious spurs to self-improvement...and those who actually deserve to feel self-esteem probably don't need you to teach them how to feel it.

Thank you for introducing such a stimulating topic.



[edit on 5-3-2010 by nine-eyed-eel]


reply posted on 5-3-2010 @ 02:49 PM by whaaa
reply to post by seagull






It's people like you that.............

Man, that's an ugly phrase!



reply posted on 5-3-2010 @ 02:58 PM by seagull
reply to post by nine-eyed-eel



I'm not actually advocating removal of those words, per say...though I wouldn't mind the reasoning behind them, and their usage, disappear. Though in retrospect, I can certainly see where it might seem that way. Hmmm...

If the words, or the emotions behind said words, bounce off you, more power to you is what I say. I'm much the same way, though not always....

But not everyone is as thick skinned as you, and many others here.

All I'm truly advocating here is this: Think about the effect you are trying to raise with the words. Not just here on ATS, but anywhere...

...and I'm NOT LIBERAL...you take that back... .


reply posted on 5-3-2010 @ 02:59 PM by seagull
reply to post by whaaa



Isn't it though? Usually followed by generalizations about a whole group of some sort...


reply posted on 5-3-2010 @ 03:03 PM by nine-eyed-eel
Originally posted by seagull
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...and I'm NOT LIBERAL...you take that back... .


Duly taken back...my apologies...Just getting to know ya, kinda thing, hee-hee...


reply posted on 5-3-2010 @ 03:42 PM by OutKast Searcher
I 100% disagree. It's not the words...it's the intent.

I can just as easily, and in some cases more effectively, destroy someones self esteem and show hatred toward them with nice, flowery, happy words using techniques such as sarcasm, mis-direction, and underhanded compliments. Lying to them myself to lead them to believe one thing just to get crushed later on when someone else informs them otherwise.

Yeah...I know that above paragraph makes me look like such a nice guy

I'm not saying I use these methods...but they are available.

When an attempt like this is made to make everyone think of how "bad" these words are...you just give them more and more power. You make something taboo and it has power. If you or a group allows a word to take a hold of them and have it as that ONE trigger that is going to set them off (n-word, r-word, f-word....blah blah blah...they are so bad we can't even say them) then it WILL be used against you to illicit a reaction when a reaction is wanted. And if you give that word power and you let it get that reaction...then it is you who is defining that word...not the one using it.

There was this big movement of "take back the "R"-word" the other day. I bet the word retard was used more in that one day by people rebeling against the movement than it has it any other day.

If you really really really dislike a word and don't want to use it, that is your personal preference. I have one word that I will never say...for personal reasons...I cuss like a sailor otherwise. But for me, that one word is off limits. I won't try to get others not to use it, I don't get mad when others use it...I just don't because I disagree with it.


reply posted on 5-3-2010 @ 04:35 PM by SeraphSirius

NEO: Is that what you're doing here?

KAMALA: Rama, please!

RAMA-KANDRA: I do not want to be cruel,

Kamala. He may never see another face for the rest of his life.

NEO: I'm sorry. You don't have to answer that question.

RAMA-KANDRA: No. I don't mind. The answer is simple. I love my daughter very much. I find her to be the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. But where we are from, that is not enough. Every program that is created must have a purpose; if it does not, it is deleted. I went to the Frenchman to save my daughter. You do not understand.

NEO: I just have never...

RAMA-KANDRA: ...heard a program speak of love?

NEO: It's a... human emotion.

RAMA-KANDRA: No, it is a word. What matters is the connection the word implies. I see that you are in love. Can you tell me what you would give to hold on to that connection?

NEO: Anything.

RAMA-KANDRA: Then perhaps the reason you're here is not so different from the reason I'm here.


I'm always drawn to this familiar scene in "Revolutions" whenever pondering the inherit power of a word...




David Sereda - Snakker om - 'Amazing Water, Is it Conscious' ~ Coast To Coast AM

www.youtube.com... Part1

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www.youtube.com... Part6

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www.youtube.com... Part8

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What the bleep do we know (words & water):

www.youtube.com...


Update: yeah I realize water is a bit unreleated...
Partially has more to do with mind/spirit/consciouness
bygones


& as many of you I'm sure are aware... Water surely has had useful architecture to demonstrate to us
in crystallized state, in relation to "matter-ing" Both Symbolically as well as Harmonically Niiice

Words Do Create 'IMO'

[edit on 5-3-2010 by SeraphSirius]
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