I KNEW this was going to happen, sooner or later!!!

Originally posted by Redwookieaz
The good ol' US of A government has murdered far more people than I think anybody in the modern world and you have the audacity to come on here and make a statement like that? Wow you are completely delusional and obviously only here to stir up sh*t! And btw it ain't right or left wing it's about free Americans vs a lying unrepresentative government!

Sorry free people of the WORLD vs LYING, MURDERING GOVERNMENTS OF THE WORLD!

[edit on 5-3-2010 by Redwookieaz]

[edit on 5-3-2010 by Redwookieaz]

Well, who elected your "lying unrepresentative government " ?

reply to post by SaturnFX


But see, this is the definition of FAITH.

You say, "I think this happened"... in other words it's a belief.

But what empirical proof do you have that justifies that belief?

Originally posted by Alfie1
That is false and you know it. How many people believe everything any government says ?

My father believed everything the Bush administration said...same with Fox news (he watches alot of Fox news btw...wonder if there is a connection). Now he believes nothing the government says...wonder what changed...hmm

I think the lesson here is that political sheep will believe the government if their party is in control...makes life easier and then they can comfortably watch American Idol

reply to post by Alfie1


I would add that a HUGE number of the Faithers on ATS do NOT believe it was terrorists, if by terrorists you mean AQ.

There's a whole thread on here, today, blaiming it on Israel!

And other threads blaming on, directly, neocons.

Originally posted by seethelight
Sure their political wing still loves to thump their chest, but ATS is firmly right-wing and FULL of anti-military stuff.

Just a request for clarification...

By 'firmly right-wing' do you mean to say that ATS... uh, I can't even imagine what you mean by this, but...

When you say 'anti-military', you really mean 'anti-Iraq war', correct?

Originally posted by seethelight
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

But see, this is the definition of FAITH.

You say, "I think this happened"... in other words it's a belief.

But what empirical proof do you have that justifies that belief?

A general understanding of physics and how the NIST report left out steel conductivity...along with no conductivity of cement (which is the same as steel), and discluding the bracings for the steel to begin with.

My problem is not a overall concept, my problem is the nuts and bolts of the issue...I ignore those films of connections and people and all that nonsense and look at the actual hard science...the rest is simple speculation and if you want to just speculate, you can say Santa Clause did it.

The science itself doesn't add up in various areas...mostly building 7.

reply to post by DeltaChaos


I mean the majority of posters are right-wingers, in my experience and the owner is a professed right-winger.

By anti-military I mean, go read ATS.... you'll see the military repeated slandered... and the police.

@OP:

We've been talking about this type of thing here for quite some time, it's crazy that something like this has finally happened. I'm constantly amazed at the junk people will let themselves be brainwashed into thinking, and even when shown why they're wrong over and over, they still repeat the same incorrect information.

I could see something like this coming, but it really started to show up around this site with the "Harley Guy" thread, when people had themselves convinced they knew who he was, and that he must be guilty of treason. Never mind that they had the wrong guy and that there was nothing wrong with what he said. The Truthers WANTED it to be part of their 'conspiracy', and pushed it too far, if for nothing else that cannot seem to conceive that someone might have a different opinion than them, and may actually be correct.

@Truthers:

Whether this guy is actually a truther or not, or committed this act because of 9/11 or some other reason, I would be VERY careful of making death threats on this site or others. Saying things like line them up in front of the firing squad, hang them, drag them through the streets, and so on are going to be HUGE red flags now as law enforcement cracks down on this activity.

I know most of you don't do this and are simply misguided and/or get some satisfaction out of figuring things out that you don't believe could have happened. However, mark my words here, that things are about to shift towards stopping this sort of thing before it happens again. Before you make or even think about making any excuses for this guy, he just put a huge black eye on your movement, so don't excuse this type of behavior.


@Mods:

I would SERIOUSLY consider auditing threads for death threats, and removing the offending posts while being vigilant in the future of removing them asap. I like this site, and would hate to see it interfered with by law enforcement.

Originally posted by DeltaChaos

By 'firmly right-wing' do you mean to say that ATS... uh, I can't even imagine what you mean by this, but...

When you say 'anti-military', you really mean 'anti-Iraq war', correct?

ATS is actually nothing more than a forum that allows people to post conspiracy theories...to assign it one thing or another is a shortcut to critical thinking..its like assigning paper with an agenda.

reply to post by seethelight


it is our right still do so.... isnt it?

Oh my god !!! Another "lone nutter" wakes up one morning and decides he has simply had enough of all the bull**** and lies that his "democratic" (can you spell socialist?) government has espoused and endorsed for (sigh) such a LONG time now, and so he decides to address his grievances in direct contrast to everything that GOOD OL DAVE believes in! and now, I am somehow responsible for it because I have a brain cell or two that hasn't been programmed by the 6 o'clock news! SHAME on me for not being like good ol dave, if I had been, then this never would have happened! Funny thing, to my knowledge, no one on this site has went out and tried to shoot anyone because of what is found here. Hmmmmm...now that I think about it, maybe you are right... John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, Sirhan Sirhan, James Earl Ray etc., all did what they did because of those of us here at ATS . Good point ,Good Ol Dave. The way I see it, you can do one of two things--- WAKE THE **** UP, or GO BACK TO SLEEP ! Food for thought : Truth is a level playing field.,lies,deception,cover-ups,etc.,are not !!!

Originally posted by seethelight
reply to post by DeltaChaos

 

I mean the majority of posters are right-wingers, in my experience and the owner is a professed right-winger.

SkepticOverlord is a libertarian, but he also has made posts of where he had hope for Obama in ways of small businesses and seen how the true system works. I would venture to say he is independent overall, with libertarian views...but more importantly...he is a critical thinker whom cannot be painted with one broad brush...pity there aren't more people with that stand frankly.

As far as posters being right wing fringe, well, plenty of them in the political forums...some paid, some simply brainwashed, some with solid points...but they are out of power, and people out of power will always see conspiracys and anger towards the government moreso than the party "fans" in power...so it makes sense that currently there are more right wingers on ATS.

Originally posted by Soloist
Saying things like line them up in front of the firing squad, hang them, drag them through the streets, and so on are going to be HUGE red flags now as law enforcement cracks down on this activity.



@Mods:

I would SERIOUSLY consider auditing threads for death threats, and removing the offending posts while being vigilant in the future of removing them asap.

Where is this type of stuff being posted??

I,m reading 3 threads atm, and I,m not seeing it.

reply to post by SaturnFX


Libertarian is right-wing

Originally posted by seethelight
reply to post by NorEaster

 

Sorry, which of his beliefs are you using to justify murder?

What in the hell is you problem man? I take SERIOUS issue with your implication that, because an individual here might entertain the notion that certain things about 911 are not on the up-and-up, somehow we're complicit in this ISOLATED INCIDENT. Get a freaking grip and go to anger management or something.

To lay blame for this on ATS or any "conspiracy site" is simply lame. People will find other peoples opinions whether they are on the street, in bars, at work, on the TV or on the internet.

Are you suggesting that no one have any opinions other than what the government gives us? Are you saying that people who search for the truth aren't smart enough or stable enough to do the searching and then form their own opinions?

The OP looks like a troll to me and I have now finished feeding the trolls for today ;-)

Cheers - Dave

reply to post by longfade


Umm.. you ALL are complicit.

If you think (which MANY of you do) that EVERYONE (including the Red Cross) are behind 9/11, you know the murder of 3K+ Americans... and you have NO PROBLEM blaming a wide variety of people and essentially calling EVERYONE in the media, etc., murderers, then you get the same treatment when your ideological kin starts gunning down innocent people.

This thread has Truthers justifying it.

So, why not check yourself, fo you wreck yourself.

Originally posted by Sean48

Originally posted by seethelight


It's funny, ATS has NO PROBLEM with people saying that those Pentagon guys deserved to be shot...

Your post were probably deleted because you lied in them.

Like the Quote above, post where that was said,...I'll Wait.

Still would like to see this answered sir.

it's a big statement to accuse someone of.



[edit on 5-3-2010 by Sean48]

reply to post by Alfie1


Nobody slick. They are part of the machine. And the game is rigged before it's played so get a clue.

reply to post by Sean48


In this thread (unless it was deleted) is someone saying that this is justified because "no one made those guys work for the pentagon".

Another person justifies it by saying, "don't diss the attempted murderer too much, he had some good ideas".


No, knowing the selective modding this place gets, who knows if those posts are still there.. let me check.