Ok, well I've been researching about the NWO, mysteries, luciferianism, and many other topics for about two years already. I can say, that I've known in person good freemasons, however there are still some doubts that perhaps you could help me to solve.

1) Are people like Jay Z, Lady Gaga, and such crappy artists part of freemasonry through anyway?
Appareantly the offices of MTV in Canada are situated in a Lodge, is that true? If this is true, I would like to know with all respect, what the hell happened to the craft of some centuries ago? how can you turn from being an organization with people such as Goethe and Mozart, to a thing based in the mere consumism and power on earth?

2) Perhaps this is part of your secrets, but is there really a relation between you and what could happen in 2012?

3) Are there both white and black lodges? I ask this because for me there seems to be many contradictory stuff in your teachings. I'll put it in a brief example recurring again to "gods" such as Goethe and Mozart:

“None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.” -Johan Wolfgang von Goethe

"Everything that emancipates the spirit without giving us control over ourselves is harmful."
Goethe

So, as you can see Goethe was an individual that knew well about the inner power of the spirit, plus he was an advocate of self control and choosing knowledge over material wealth. In paper the "weirdest thing" of all, would be that he was member of the Freemasonry, and a founding member of the original Illuminati. Which would finish with the myth of the Illuminati being luciferian (he even wrote a version of famous "Faust" where true love defeats the lust and power provided by Mephistopheles)

Concerning Mozart, I've to mention "The Magic Flute" which is a perfect example of Alchemy and harmony between both principles of the Universe. This opera is full of teachings of love, virtue, friendship, and honor, while the representation of lust, greed, and hatred, is Monostatos which in the end is nothing more than a "bug".

To make my point clearer, I'm just stating that these members of Freemasonry that were perhaps among the most powerful of all time, believed in God and in Love. The materialism and its symptoms (greed, lust, hatred) are seen as obstacles to enlightenment.

Usually all the time when I read or listen these brilliant minds, my thoughts towards your teachings become positive and I even admire you in some senses. However there's still the black aspect that makes me think quite the opposite:

- Persons such as Albert Pike and many other freemasons that in one way or another had a relation with the low deities "lucifer" and "baphomet" seem to concentrate their teachings in getting an almost "selfish knowledge" that instead of helping you gain more compassion towards others, fully concentrate on the material power. And all of the pop icons that use masonic symbolism (like Gaga, Jay Z, and hundreds others) that promote endless lust, greed, the need for money,etc. Seem to be against the teachings of the "masters" I mentioned before.

So I just want to know, what really happened to Freemasonry? is it that there's a massive difference between the european and the one that came to America? or perhaps that the real masons died centuries ago, and what we see now are "posers" concentrating on the left hand aspect?

4) Last but not least, I would like to know if Freemasonry is declining right now? You were the promoters of the "Enlightenment", the State of Right rather than the Divine one, and basically gave the bases to the "Modernity". However, now that we're in a global crisis were people are trying to create a Posmoderniity, all of these masonic values of freedom, equity, and fraternity seem to dissapear.

Again, I'm just asking in a humble way, respect your silence, no matter what view about the universe you have.






[edit on 4-3-2010 by Szerablyn]

BTW, sorry if I commited any grammatic error. I'm very tired, but I needed to write the message now.

1. No

2. No

3. No

4. No

why on earth would a secret society want any part of people like Lady Gaga and Jay Z who pander to the masses and the "sheep". Aren't these guys elitist? I mean if they're going to let Jay fraking Z use illuminati symbolism and messages, then why not put these things on happy meals, coke bottles, porn and every piece of "bling"?

if a secret society wants among its ranks fanboys/girls of the likes of Jay Z and Lady Gaga then they are PATHETIC. I'd rather have the GD Manson family than these clowns.

I was once a member of an organization similar to the Masons. We just hung out and rented out our hall to make money for the organization. There were annual conventions, charity functions, etc. These organizations aren't trying to control the world or anything. My uncle was actually a Mason. He never talked about money. He never bragged about what he had. He just loved to golf. That was the only elitist thing he did. These days even golf isn't as elitist as it once was. Anyway I think people in these organizations just want fellowship. They support one another like brothers. Maybe they have a weekend Poker game or bowling league or something. They're just having a good time. Nothing to fear. These are the last people you should fear. They are fine, upstanding citizens in their community. I'm not saying there's no NWO. There is, but these guys aren't it.

I think one of the problems with conspiracy theories about masonry, and the one thing that must p masons off big time, is that soon as a bit of symbolism or anthing related to a secret society is mentioned people start screaming that it must be the masons!

Jay Z, Lady Gaga etc are obviously part of some secret society. Whether that be one of their own making or part of a larger organisation is open to debate, but it is very doubtful it is masonry. Lasy Gaga's a lady for starters!

For the same reason? = Desecration?

Ok well, perhaps there arent other lower deities but there are indeed spirits from the realm. Thank you all for your help

Originally posted by Szerablyn
For the same reason? = Desecration?

I think it was more for attention then anything. You noticed the hand symbols and others had a reaction to the cross antics. I suppose the old adage of there is no such thing as bad publicity as long as you get your name mentioned.

Lot of FMs here! Perfect time for question: Is it "kosher" to be member of "secret society" and to be a public official at same time? Is not "secret society" and "democracy" contradictio in adjecto? Is it OK that every other POTUS was Skull&Bones member? To whom are you then loyal? To "secret society" or to "society in general"?