The Protocols of the Elders of Zion - Fact or Fiction?, page 7


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reply posted on 8-6-2005 @ 08:55 PM by the_oleneo
Wow, this is a great thread.

I, for one, have discovered the hidden origin of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" and it is NOT from a Russian Czarist police forgery nor a Napoleonic-era satire.

It is based on the
Secrets of the Elders of Bourg-Fontaine

"These Protocols of supposedly Jewish leaders are not the first documents of their kind fabricated by the Jesuits.

"For over a hundred years before these Protocols appeared, the Jesuits had continued to make use of a similar fraud called The Secrets Of The Elders Of Bourg-Fontaine against Jansenism - an anti-Jesuit French Catholic movement among the secular clergy."


Interestingly and very ironically, the founder of the Jesuits, Ignatius Loyola was born and raised a Jew before converting to Catholicism.


reply posted on 6-7-2005 @ 04:42 PM by Ghaele
> The document appeared during the time of the begining of the Zionist movement

I find it hightly unlikely that a movement and a document about it apear about the same time without being a real document. A beginning movement is small and so noone have any interest in destroying it.

So I am still convinced the 300 rich Elders of Zion exist. But they are NOT learned in any way (other than in their own heads).

If it had come after UN stole Palestina and split it up and gave 'Israel' to the zionists in Europe THEN I would had no problem with accepting it as fake.
But it was created so early when noone had any reason to bother...

Below is a few lines from a letter from a palestinian jew (as opposed to a zionist jew), read the full letter at
www.rense.com...
bold words by me.

"I was born in Israel (Palestine then) to a well-known Jewish religious family. We are living in Israel for many generations; well before the Zionists infiltrated the Middle East. Jews and Moslems always lived in peace in Palestine until the Zionists came from Europe, massacred the Palestinians (Dir Yassin, etc.) and forced them to run away from their lands and get locked into the refugee camps across the borders for almost three generations. Any student of history knows that as early as 1915, Britain already promised Palestine to the Palestinians Arabs if they help in removing the Turks from Palestine. That promise was broken.

I know Israelis very well, as most of my friends are Israelis and/or Jewish. I can assure you that most of my friends are anti-Zionists, just like Mr. Rense. Furthermore, over half of Israeli citizens will tell you that they are not Zionists and most embassies in Israel are flooded for the last few years with Israelis wishing to immigrate to other countries.

Israel, today, has nothing to do with Israel of pre-1967. We have a new Israel now controlled by a coalition of former Jewish terror organizations under the Likud Party. Israel replaced the original idealists with a collection of Jews from Ethiopia, Russia,. American fanatics, etc. Now The world is equating Israel with the Nazis, even Israeli MKs calling each other Nazis in the Knesset. And last week, an Israeli newspaper published an interview with a young Israeli soldier who calmly justify his own killing of dozens of Palestinian children, something even the Nazis did not do. The IDF has him now under investigation."

This seems to fit with there being a zionist conspiracy. If not by these 'learned' elders, then whom?


reply posted on 31-7-2005 @ 12:28 PM by infinite
You can buy the book(the protocols) on amazon

www.amazon.co.uk...=1122831196/sr=8-2/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i2_xgl/202-2029299-9259017

im ordering my copy now and i will continue my research into it. Just as ECK said, it doesnt matter who wrote it, some of the statements have come to pass


reply posted on 2-8-2005 @ 08:55 AM by FallenFromTheTree
I googled this link which covers the major articles of The Protocols

www.biblebelievers.org.au...

When reading through these Protocols, one must make every effort to detach themselves
from the religious implications indicated.

The religious implications are clearly a distraction to the more important, far reaching content of the
game plan.

One should consider the possibility or probablility that the true " forgery " of these Protocols was the deliberate insertion of the religious factions as a replacement for Elitist vs Commoner,
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