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Topic started on 3-3-2010 @ 08:14 PM by DarkspARCS

Howdy folks!

There has been speculation about the mysterious lights that accompanied the Chilean Earthquake that an article I discovered may actually have an answer for!

the article is entitled:

Can gravity waves from space cause earthquakes?

I'd recommend that if you haven't read this article that you go ahead and see what some scientists are discovering about GRB flashes and subsiquent earthquake occurrances!

heres an excerpt:

The idea started with one of the most powerful earthquakes that was ever recorded -- the magnitude 9.3 earthquake that occurred in the Indian Ocean off the coast of Sumatra in Malaysia on December 26th, 2004. It caused a powerful tsunami which devastated coastal regions of many countries leaving over 240,000 people either dead or missing. It was the worst tsunami to affect this area since the 1883 explosion of Krakatao. The earthquake that produced it was so strong that it exceeded by a factor of 10 the next most powerful earthquake to occur anywhere in the past 25 years.

Just 44.6 hours later, scientists were shocked to see that gamma ray telescopes orbiting the Earth picked up the arrival of the brightest gamma ray burst ever recorded! The Gamma ray burst (or GRB) arrived from deep space on December 27, 2004 at 21 hours 36 minutes (Universal Time) and was 100 times more intense than any burst that had been previously recorded. It equaled the brightness of the full Moon but radiated most of its energy at gamma ray wavelengths. The blast temporarily changed the shape the Earth's ionosphere, distorting the transmission of long-wavelength radio signals.

Was there a relationship between these two dramatic events? Perhaps.

Read the full article to get the full details on this amazing phenomina!

reply posted on 3-3-2010 @ 08:28 PM by noobsauce13

Great find S/F but, im not sure

Are gamma rays, gravity waves?

If not, what are gravity waves?

Did you mean gamma rays?

reply posted on 3-3-2010 @ 08:31 PM by Ionized

I would think it has much more to do with changes in our near-space electromagnetic environment. Gravity waves are a bit far-fetched. Hannes Alfven outlined how our planetary system is shaped by the plasma environment of the sun, no need to add gravity waves into the picture.

reply posted on 3-3-2010 @ 08:39 PM by DarkspARCS

I find the concept of gravity waves of interest too, as this is the first time I'd heard of them.

However, I do remember the 1996 gravimentric pulse that interfered with satellites that was discovered to have come from a new form of pulsar known as a gravitar...

interesting !

reply posted on 3-3-2010 @ 08:52 PM by Phage

reply to post by DarkspARCS

Gravitar. Is that for playing heavy metal music?

No stellar type "gravitars" have been discovered. They are still theoretical.

So are gravity waves for that matter. Try as we might, we have been unable to detect them.

[edit on 3/3/2010 by Phage]

reply posted on 3-3-2010 @ 09:26 PM by TeslaandLyne

Gravity is weak and not the sort of thing to cause melting of
rocks or other cause of earth quakes.
If not an internal cause the wave or pulse should be electric
and not magnetic.

reply posted on 3-3-2010 @ 09:56 PM by Silver Shadow

Even if a gravity wavefront (?) did hit earth from a long distance, it would shake the whole planet.
Not cause a massive earthquake in one small region, and not be felt at all anywhere else..

reply posted on 3-3-2010 @ 10:11 PM by bobs_uruncle

reply to post by Phage

Of course we haven't discovered gravity waves, we can't build a big enough interferometer, it would have an X,Y,Z axis the length of a parsec. Which creates a problem in itself due to propagation delays in signal transmission. We would probably have to be a Type II civilization (Carl Sagan scale) to produce physical modeling of this kind of interferometer.

Since gravity affects space-time and gravity waves, if they exist, would in a probabilistic sense move spherically causing varying degrees of uniform expansion over short (0.1 parsec) distances, our instruments would all contract and/or expand according to wave density, because we would be trying to measure the wave inside the wave and would therefore have no frame of reference. As an example if you hold a stick and a ruler, and try to measure the stick but the stick and ruler both compress or expand at the same rate or the same amount (following the analog rate change of the gravity wave), the measurement never changes even though spatial compression or expansion is occurring.

The only realistic way to measure a gravity wave would be by measuring the secondary effect, that being time. Unfortunately, we need a temporal "anchor," a solid absolute time reference point. There is some promise in this area and Michio Kaku (NYSU) planted the seeds for a method years ago. It appears all relativistic time frames and one absolute time frame of reference can co-exist. Entanglement actually provides the mechanism since, entangled particles that are separated appear to communicate outside of normal relativistic space-time via spatial compression.

Cheers - Dave

reply posted on 3-3-2010 @ 10:15 PM by Phage

reply to post by bobs_uruncle

Well you'd better tell these guys they're on the wrong track then:
www.johnstonsarchive.net...

In any case, any gravity waves arriving on Earth would be so incredibly weak that the likelihood of them causing an earthquake is pretty absurd.

reply posted on 3-3-2010 @ 10:17 PM by DChenO

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by DarkspARCS

Gravitar. Is that for playing heavy metal music?

No stellar type "gravitars" have been discovered. They are still theoretical.

So are gravity waves for that matter. Try as we might, we have been unable to detect them.

[edit on 3/3/2010 by Phage]

No warped wrinkles in space/time unwinding yet found? No whipping wells? Ah come on maybe we're just being whipped between the warped waves of the the two galaxy ams we reside between? More space storms, more dust, more eon cyclic cataclysm? What kind of bent light should we be looking for? Two entwined snakes?

reply posted on 3-3-2010 @ 10:20 PM by DChenO

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
Gravity is weak and not the sort of thing to cause melting of
rocks or other cause of earth quakes.
If not an internal cause the wave or pulse should be electric
and not magnetic.

From an Einsteinien point of view we're talking about wells in space time... weak force maybe? Fundamentally fabric bending...

reply posted on 3-3-2010 @ 10:27 PM by bobs_uruncle

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by bobs_uruncle

Well you'd better tell these guys they're on the wrong track then:
www.johnstonsarchive.net...

In any case, any gravity waves arriving on Earth would be so incredibly weak that the likelihood of them causing an earthquake is pretty absurd.

I can't be bothered, common sense in science is not so common and anyway, their big@ss interferometer is a make work project, much like CERN. There are simpler ways to skin Schrödinger's cat ;-) You could always talk to Michio, I did.

On gravity waves reaching earth, they may not necessarily be weak. We could have a high amplitude short period wave that passes through the earth from a supernova. That might cause the planet to in effect undulate and go through a compression, re-expansion phase. Depending on the wave period, one side of the planet could experience different amounts of compression/expansion than the other over a short duration, which "might" cause tectonic plates to shift and/or increased heating in the mantle and core which could then increase viscosity. Friction is in part keeping the mantle and core molten, so additional compression/expansion related friction could increase heat.

So could gravity waves if they exist cause earthquakes? I'd say there is a much better than non-zero probability.

Cheers - Dave

reply posted on 3-3-2010 @ 10:39 PM by Crito

Originally posted by DChenO
Two entwined snakes?

Maybe if you could truly observe from outside that's exactly what you'd find, a Gödel universe where time doesn't really exist. Straight lines only exist in your microscopic "quantum" fantasy world. The macroscopic reality is light is being bent everywhere.

[edit on 3-3-2010 by Crito]

reply posted on 3-3-2010 @ 10:40 PM by Logarock

Maybe they are so weak they have a limited effect. Prehaps earth conditions have a shunting effect. The earth is spinning for one thing. And in theory gravitational waves act like electro magnetic waves they may encounter some conditions in the upper atmosphere.

At any rate the moon and earth relationship could be a likley culprit. Centripetal force. These are apparently relative to mass. So a slight effect, that cant be noticed by a human, over a large mass may aid or be a determiner.

Crust Shift
"As waves of gravitational radiation pass a distant observer, that observer will find spacetime distorted by the effects of strain.
Distances between free objects will increase and decrease rhythmically as the wave passes. The magnitude of this effect will decrease the further the observer is from the source".

"Energy, momentum, and angular momentum carried by gravitational waves
Waves familiar from other areas of physics such as water waves, sound waves, and electromagnetic waves are able to carry energy, momentum, and angular momentum. By carrying these away from a source, waves are able to rob that source of its energy, linear or angular momentum. Gravitational waves perform the same function".

Gravitational Wave

Just thinking out loud.

[edit on 3-3-2010 by Logarock]

reply posted on 3-3-2010 @ 10:56 PM by Logarock

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by DarkspARCS

Gravitar. Is that for playing heavy metal music?

No stellar type "gravitars" have been discovered. They are still theoretical.

So are gravity waves for that matter. Try as we might, we have been unable to detect them.

[edit on 3/3/2010 by Phage]

But they have to be there they just have to. lol

What about the simple grade school experiment with the magnets and iron shavings? Its evidence of a local field anyway.

reply posted on 3-3-2010 @ 10:57 PM by TeslaandLyne

I'm reading Velikovsky lately and the big damage to Earth was
caused by some big unknown object written down by the ancients
all over the world.
The writings are read back to us by Velikovsky.
So you decide what happened.
So I would say that was gravity interaction.
Thus we need mass.
However Tesla said he had force at a distance so I figure
he had electrostatic forces from high voltage to use.
Do we still say the Earth has a molten core.
That can't be.
So what caused explosions and earthquakes in the earth.
Perhaps a bunch of high speed particles interacting deep in the earth.
I know, everyone has a different idea than the OP.

reply posted on 3-3-2010 @ 11:11 PM by Logarock

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne

Perhaps a bunch of high speed particles interacting deep in the earth.
I know, everyone has a different idea than the OP.

As far as inside the earth I read an artical the other day saying that some believe that even very small mass moving fast enough can create gravitational waves with power far beyound what is widely held. CERN

As far as outside source Tesla has shown force at distance and we could be dealing with some combination we know not of.

Humans can live with things in the body unknow untill the immune system breaks down and the thing goes hog wild.

reply posted on 3-3-2010 @ 11:59 PM by Oneolddude

Well, I have just one question before I post a response.

Can the Silver Surfer ride a gravity wave?

An earthquake light, is an unusual luminous aerial phenomenon, that reportedly appears in the sky at or near areas of tectonic stress, seismic activity, or volcanic eruptions. Once commonly challenged, it was not until photographs were taken during the Matsushiro earthquake swarm, from 1965 through 1967, that the seismology community acknowledged their occurrence.

Earthquake lights are caused by an unknown mechanism. There are numerous theories as to how and why they occur. One explanation involves intense electric fields created piezoelectrically by tectonic movements of rocks containing quartz

Lets just say it is Mother nature's florescent light show.

Another possible explanation is local disruption of the Earth's magnetic field and/or ionosphere in the region of tectonic stress, resulting in the observed glow effects either from ionospheric radiative recombination at lower altitudes and greater atmospheric pressure or as aurora

All I can say is after having the "fear of god"scared out of you during a quake seeing these are kind of interesting.

reply posted on 4-3-2010 @ 12:24 AM by TeslaandLyne

reply to post by Oneolddude

Thanks for picking apart the situation.

I do feel now the incoming particles, something, lights up the sky and goes
into the earth causing the earth quake instead of something deep
in the earthquake zone sending out particles to light up the sky.
After all the Northern Lights indicate incoming particles.
Yet there are no pole quakes.
Well perhaps the stress of the earth movement might indeed cause
the air illumination from outgoing pulses of radiation.
I just reversed.

reply posted on 4-3-2010 @ 03:28 AM by DarkspARCS

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by DarkspARCS

Gravitar. Is that for playing heavy metal music?

No stellar type "gravitars" have been discovered. They are still theoretical.

So are gravity waves for that matter. Try as we might, we have been unable to detect them.

[edit on 3/3/2010 by Phage]

I'm sorry I actually mis-pronounced the type of star I was trying to disclose here - it wasn't a gravitar , but a MAGNETAR...

MAGNETAR

Magnetars, the most magnetic stars known, more common than previously thought

Tremendous Gamma-Ray Flare Blasts Earth

hope this clarifies things a bit !...

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