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Topic started on 3-3-2010 @ 04:33 PM by Melissa101
Occultism/Satanism they are the same thing! Part 2 Biblical Prophecy
OK. That went about as I had expected, however more people responded than I thought would.
I would like to say that if we could stay on topic and discuss the elements as they are presented it would make for a more effective experience. Also I would like to note that you will find that I pull from several faiths because I believe there is a hint of truth in several of them but I also believe not one is 100% correct. I label myself a Christian because I believe in Jesus and God. I believe in the Bible but I do not believe what any one religion teaches but elements from several. So in many of my writings you will think “she sounds Jewish or Muslim or insert faith here”, like with the calendar, it is labeled today as a Jewish thing but I call it a God thing.
Let’s reflect just a moment on the calendar and why it is significant before moving to Part 2. The original calendar was laid out to man in the first few books of the Bible. God told us when to start our day, our new year, how to count the days in the months and he named the months. Why did it change? Well originally I believe Satan has always and will always rebel against God, he is arrogant and believes he knows better, so he influenced man to come up with a “better” way to count time. Ultimately the change of the calendar most significant was a political and economical move for Julius Caesar ruler of Rome, however he was not the inventor of the un Godly calendar he just expanded on the Roman calendar and made it popular. There were many alternate calendars prior to Julius Caesar but he had the political influence to make it stick and eventually spread before being changed again. Most everyone knows the history of the western calendar but why is it significant to Christianity and how does it tie into the topic at hand? Well it is important because the change of the calendar has had lasting affects. Without an understanding of God’s calendar people are led astray because they lose a fundamental understanding of the Bible. I believe the changing of our calendar was a maneuver to confuse society as a whole and to throw off Biblical prophecy.
Without an understanding of the calendar Biblical prophecy and the dates they have some true have been thrown off course. It also makes calculating the end times difficult.
www.polysyllabic.com...
This brings me right into the second element; biblical prophecy. Every Biblical prophecy that was ever written came to pass except the end time’s prophecy which I happen top believes we are living in right now. Most everyone is going to fan out and flame up over this statement but I will give you a few examples and then move on, I do not plan to defend or debate this point. It is what it is and no amount of discussion will make anyone less of a believer or non believer so take it for what it is or don’t but I will ignore posts that want to debate my statement.
Example one: The coming of Jesus. The coming of Jesus was prophesied throughout the Old Testament. As early as Genesis; God said that a king would come a crush the serpent’s head, which was fulfilled with the birth on Jesus and his death on the cross.
Example two: Daniel saw that a powerful political leader would thing to change time; the calendar was changed by Julius Caesar about 45-45 BC.
Example 3: Daniel prophesies the collapse of the Roman Empire.
Example 4: Jesus prophesies his own death and resurrection
Example 5: Jesus prophesies the destruction of the Temple which came about in 70 AD
Example 6: Jesus prophesies "Abomination of Desolation" which occurred in 1947 when Israel was signed as its own country again. Not to be confused with the official date of 1948 as the year Israel became a nation, it sis but it was signed in 1947.
Interesting enough Jesus also states in Matthew 24 that one generation will not pass before all the end time prophecies he listed (not the end of time) came to pass. What is a generation? The Bible states that a generation is 70 years so if you take 1947 and add 70 years you get 2017 marking 2010 as the first year of the 7 year tribulation. He prophesied earthquakes in divers places; um Haiti, um Chile, um Japan, um Argentina, um Hungary and I believe we are just getting warmed up. For a listing of recent earthquake activity you can reference hisz.rsoe.hu... I just learned of this web site and I love it. It also lists any and all Emergencies or disasters world wide. You may want to keep a watch because everything does not make the news and it is going to be an exciting year.
Now how does this have anything to do with Occultism and Satanism being one in the same? Well directly it does not seem, but remember everything is linked and it will become apparent as move forward if you grasp everything as we go.
OK? Questions??????
OK. That went about as I had expected, however more people responded than I thought would.
I would like to say that if we could stay on topic and discuss the elements as they are presented it would make for a more effective experience. Also I would like to note that you will find that I pull from several faiths because I believe there is a hint of truth in several of them but I also believe not one is 100% correct. I label myself a Christian because I believe in Jesus and God. I believe in the Bible but I do not believe what any one religion teaches but elements from several. So in many of my writings you will think “she sounds Jewish or Muslim or insert faith here”, like with the calendar, it is labeled today as a Jewish thing but I call it a God thing.
Let’s reflect just a moment on the calendar and why it is significant before moving to Part 2. The original calendar was laid out to man in the first few books of the Bible. God told us when to start our day, our new year, how to count the days in the months and he named the months. Why did it change? Well originally I believe Satan has always and will always rebel against God, he is arrogant and believes he knows better, so he influenced man to come up with a “better” way to count time. Ultimately the change of the calendar most significant was a political and economical move for Julius Caesar ruler of Rome, however he was not the inventor of the un Godly calendar he just expanded on the Roman calendar and made it popular. There were many alternate calendars prior to Julius Caesar but he had the political influence to make it stick and eventually spread before being changed again. Most everyone knows the history of the western calendar but why is it significant to Christianity and how does it tie into the topic at hand? Well it is important because the change of the calendar has had lasting affects. Without an understanding of God’s calendar people are led astray because they lose a fundamental understanding of the Bible. I believe the changing of our calendar was a maneuver to confuse society as a whole and to throw off Biblical prophecy.
Without an understanding of the calendar Biblical prophecy and the dates they have some true have been thrown off course. It also makes calculating the end times difficult.
www.polysyllabic.com...
This brings me right into the second element; biblical prophecy. Every Biblical prophecy that was ever written came to pass except the end time’s prophecy which I happen top believes we are living in right now. Most everyone is going to fan out and flame up over this statement but I will give you a few examples and then move on, I do not plan to defend or debate this point. It is what it is and no amount of discussion will make anyone less of a believer or non believer so take it for what it is or don’t but I will ignore posts that want to debate my statement.
Example one: The coming of Jesus. The coming of Jesus was prophesied throughout the Old Testament. As early as Genesis; God said that a king would come a crush the serpent’s head, which was fulfilled with the birth on Jesus and his death on the cross.
Example two: Daniel saw that a powerful political leader would thing to change time; the calendar was changed by Julius Caesar about 45-45 BC.
Example 3: Daniel prophesies the collapse of the Roman Empire.
Example 4: Jesus prophesies his own death and resurrection
Example 5: Jesus prophesies the destruction of the Temple which came about in 70 AD
Example 6: Jesus prophesies "Abomination of Desolation" which occurred in 1947 when Israel was signed as its own country again. Not to be confused with the official date of 1948 as the year Israel became a nation, it sis but it was signed in 1947.
Interesting enough Jesus also states in Matthew 24 that one generation will not pass before all the end time prophecies he listed (not the end of time) came to pass. What is a generation? The Bible states that a generation is 70 years so if you take 1947 and add 70 years you get 2017 marking 2010 as the first year of the 7 year tribulation. He prophesied earthquakes in divers places; um Haiti, um Chile, um Japan, um Argentina, um Hungary and I believe we are just getting warmed up. For a listing of recent earthquake activity you can reference hisz.rsoe.hu... I just learned of this web site and I love it. It also lists any and all Emergencies or disasters world wide. You may want to keep a watch because everything does not make the news and it is going to be an exciting year.
Now how does this have anything to do with Occultism and Satanism being one in the same? Well directly it does not seem, but remember everything is linked and it will become apparent as move forward if you grasp everything as we go.
OK? Questions??????
reply posted on 3-3-2010 @ 05:55 PM by Solasis
reply to post by captaintyinknots
She didn't say that to me when I challenged her. What she did was say "if you're offended this thread is not for you!" which is almost as bad, but not quite.
So, Melissa, I would like to repeat my question which you never actually answered:
Are you okay with the fact that God created Satan, who is according to you, the source of all evil?
I also have another question for you:
Why does the "one generation" line from Matthew 24 apply from the establishment of Israel rather than from the time that Jesus spoke?
She didn't say that to me when I challenged her. What she did was say "if you're offended this thread is not for you!" which is almost as bad, but not quite.
So, Melissa, I would like to repeat my question which you never actually answered:
Are you okay with the fact that God created Satan, who is according to you, the source of all evil?
I also have another question for you:
Why does the "one generation" line from Matthew 24 apply from the establishment of Israel rather than from the time that Jesus spoke?
reply posted on 3-3-2010 @ 05:58 PM by Tayesin
Hi Melissa,
The calender was changed to account for the discepencies with the days being out of phase. Originally people simply went by the moon, a known 28 day cycle, and could tell when was time for planting and all other things. The ancient Festivals that have been usurped by Christianity (Christmas and Easter in particular) were a part of that Moon Cycle understanding.
Example 1:- You are talking about the Hebrew's Messianic Legacy here. So you need to know that the Man we call Jesus was only one of many "Miracle Workers" in his time, and so was only one of those considered to fit the Legacy. He denied it himslef, as did the Jews who enforced the death penalty on him for his insurrection against their total control of what the population believed.
Also, you completely ignored the generous offering of information based on the original sources for Genesis and therefore the first book of the Torah as known to the ancient Hebrew people when they left Sumer in my reply to your original thread.. see Here
I offered this information so that you may understand the evolution of the concepts that are held in such high esteem in the Christian Belief.
Apart from that, good on you for taking up the challenge layed down by Woody. I would hope that you may respond to my offering soon?
The calender was changed to account for the discepencies with the days being out of phase. Originally people simply went by the moon, a known 28 day cycle, and could tell when was time for planting and all other things. The ancient Festivals that have been usurped by Christianity (Christmas and Easter in particular) were a part of that Moon Cycle understanding.
Example 1:- You are talking about the Hebrew's Messianic Legacy here. So you need to know that the Man we call Jesus was only one of many "Miracle Workers" in his time, and so was only one of those considered to fit the Legacy. He denied it himslef, as did the Jews who enforced the death penalty on him for his insurrection against their total control of what the population believed.
Also, you completely ignored the generous offering of information based on the original sources for Genesis and therefore the first book of the Torah as known to the ancient Hebrew people when they left Sumer in my reply to your original thread.. see Here
I offered this information so that you may understand the evolution of the concepts that are held in such high esteem in the Christian Belief.
Apart from that, good on you for taking up the challenge layed down by Woody. I would hope that you may respond to my offering soon?
reply posted on 3-3-2010 @ 05:59 PM by captaintyinknots
Originally posted by Solasis
reply to post by captaintyinknots
She didn't say that to me when I challenged her. What she did was say "if you're offended this thread is not for you!" which is almost as bad, but not quite.
So, Melissa, I would like to repeat my question which you never actually answered:
Are you okay with the fact that God created Satan, who is according to you, the source of all evil?
I also have another question for you:
Why does the "one generation" line from Matthew 24 apply from the establishment of Israel rather than from the time that Jesus spoke?
I consider that the same sentiment. It is a deflective tactic, and one that is used when someone wishes not to be challenged on their subject.
Don't count on getting an answer sol. If you dont outwardly agree with her, you arent going to get it.
reply posted on 3-3-2010 @ 06:13 PM by Solasis
reply to post by captaintyinknots
For a while, I was getting answers from her. I think a part of the problem was that she sensed direct aggression where your complaints were concerned. I'm trying to exude a cyberair of inquiry, and I am attempting to engage in honest inquiry. I am challenging her beliefs, but in a way that I earnestly want resposnes to, not "oh I see you're right nevermiiind," as seem to necessarily follow from challenges of a "this offends me" nature. I'm not saying you weren't right to be offended, nor that she was right to respond the way she did, only that I understand why she would. If she responds earnestly to me, I'll feel confirmed in my giving her some semblance of a benefit of the doubt.
However, I'm not actually offended by what she says, so I have more space to give the benefit of the doubt.
For a while, I was getting answers from her. I think a part of the problem was that she sensed direct aggression where your complaints were concerned. I'm trying to exude a cyberair of inquiry, and I am attempting to engage in honest inquiry. I am challenging her beliefs, but in a way that I earnestly want resposnes to, not "oh I see you're right nevermiiind," as seem to necessarily follow from challenges of a "this offends me" nature. I'm not saying you weren't right to be offended, nor that she was right to respond the way she did, only that I understand why she would. If she responds earnestly to me, I'll feel confirmed in my giving her some semblance of a benefit of the doubt.
However, I'm not actually offended by what she says, so I have more space to give the benefit of the doubt.
reply posted on 3-3-2010 @ 06:15 PM by Solasis
reply to post by gYvMessanger
She seemed to have planned from the beginning to start a new topic today. It's a weird tactic, but I think we should deal.
Re post your questions here, and you might get lucky.
She seemed to have planned from the beginning to start a new topic today. It's a weird tactic, but I think we should deal.
Re post your questions here, and you might get lucky.
reply posted on 3-3-2010 @ 06:21 PM by captaintyinknots
Originally posted by Solasis
reply to post by captaintyinknots
For a while, I was getting answers from her. I think a part of the problem was that she sensed direct aggression where your complaints were concerned. I'm trying to exude a cyberair of inquiry, and I am attempting to engage in honest inquiry. I am challenging her beliefs, but in a way that I earnestly want resposnes to, not "oh I see you're right nevermiiind," as seem to necessarily follow from challenges of a "this offends me" nature. I'm not saying you weren't right to be offended, nor that she was right to respond the way she did, only that I understand why she would. If she responds earnestly to me, I'll feel confirmed in my giving her some semblance of a benefit of the doubt.
However, I'm not actually offended by what she says, so I have more space to give the benefit of the doubt.
1)There was no aggression. I asked a direct question, and she danced around it and ultimately ignored it.
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maybe you can tell me what is aggressive about the question:
How can you label something satanic, if it predates christianity and therefore the idea of satan?
No aggression. A legit question.
2)As I said before, I am not offended. I cannot be offended by something I know not to be true, and by someone I know to be naive. I just want answers, which, considering she started the thread to outwardly put her view out there, I dont feel is asking too much.
3)I cannot give someone the benefit of the doubt when they BLATANTLY ignore a legitimate challenge. Ducking challenges is the same as admitting you cannot back up what you are saying.
If she can come even CLOSE to answering my question, I will give her the benefit of the doubt. At this point, though, these two threads reek of nothing but an attempt to bash those with opposing beliefs.
reply posted on 3-3-2010 @ 06:58 PM by InertiaZero
reply to post by DJW001
I agree. This seems personal.
I read the other thread, up to the second page.
The attention just encourages her.
I agree. This seems personal.
I read the other thread, up to the second page.
The attention just encourages her.
reply posted on 3-3-2010 @ 08:35 PM by Melissa101
reply to post by captaintyinknots
Sorry I was off teaching Bible study. It is Wednesday night and becasue I go to school full time and run a non profit agency I cannot be on here all the time. I have a daughter and husband and all the stuff that comes with them too. So I did not dance around your question I answered it with full head on honesty. Did I miss something? If so please ask directly what it is you wnat me to answer. :-)
[edit on 3-3-2010 by Melissa101]
Sorry I was off teaching Bible study. It is Wednesday night and becasue I go to school full time and run a non profit agency I cannot be on here all the time. I have a daughter and husband and all the stuff that comes with them too. So I did not dance around your question I answered it with full head on honesty. Did I miss something? If so please ask directly what it is you wnat me to answer. :-)
[edit on 3-3-2010 by Melissa101]
reply posted on 3-3-2010 @ 08:45 PM by JonInMichigan
This is just silly. Is it your supposition that the bible was the first place to introduce the world to the notion that moon phases are 28 days long
and can be used as a calendar?
What is the best way to break up a day... um day and night. Glad the bible let me in on that little tidbit.
How should I break up the lunar month? Um 28 days... I can factor that into 2 x 14 or 4 x 7. Well let’s see… 4x7...I can count those on my hands easily (10 fingers and all). Definitely divinely inspired!
Did the moon not exist before 3000 years ago when the Hebrew bible was canonized?
Instead of going on a personal attack on your intelligence this time, I will simply site the first reference I found on google when I searched for "ancient moon calendars".
From the site: www.moonlightsys.com...
I can't seem to understand why you are so mystified by the fact that the bible mentions a calendar method known across ancient cultures as common knowledge. (Ancient pagan cultures…clearly Satanic and it's a shame to have all that Satanism in the bible, don’t ya think?)
Are you impressed because you believe that the knowledge was divinely inspired or what? Because it wasn't. If the moon went through all its phases every 33 days the bible would have said 33 days. Everyone in the ancient world knew this information and I don't seem to see the connection with the thread title/topic at all.
It seems like you are easily impressed by information not worthy of any reasonable debate by anyone who has even turned on the discovery or history channels and watched a single show on any ancient culture anywhere on earth. The first thing they talk about is their calendar… and guess what… it’s “God’s calendar”…. Oooo.. and it is the modern day pagan calendar and the wheel of the year. So if you’re such a fan I appreciate you being a fan of my pagan calendar.
One more thing, I just got back from Ireland in September where I was inside of ancient structures at Knowth and Newgrange where the light shines down the passage on one day each year... the Solstice. Do you think the people who made those some 12,000 years ago read that in the bible? That’s a solar effect also known to the ancient world… solstices and equinoxes; there are two of each every year.
In my opinion you are just embarrassing yourself and you need to become better educated before attempting such a bold thread.
[edit on 3-3-2010 by JonInMichigan]
What is the best way to break up a day... um day and night. Glad the bible let me in on that little tidbit.
How should I break up the lunar month? Um 28 days... I can factor that into 2 x 14 or 4 x 7. Well let’s see… 4x7...I can count those on my hands easily (10 fingers and all). Definitely divinely inspired!
Did the moon not exist before 3000 years ago when the Hebrew bible was canonized?
Instead of going on a personal attack on your intelligence this time, I will simply site the first reference I found on google when I searched for "ancient moon calendars".
From the site: www.moonlightsys.com...
There are "Man made" lunar calendars that some scientists place as old as 32,000 years. Some recent archeological findings are from the Ice Age where hunters carved notches and gouged holes into sticks, reindeer bones and the tusks of mammoths, depicting the days between each phase of the Moon. These artifacts are dated between 25,000 and 10,000 B.C. There are also surviving astronomical records inscribed on oracle bones dating back to the Shang dynasty of the fourteenth century B.C. that reveal a Chinese calendar, with intercalation of lunar months.
I can't seem to understand why you are so mystified by the fact that the bible mentions a calendar method known across ancient cultures as common knowledge. (Ancient pagan cultures…clearly Satanic and it's a shame to have all that Satanism in the bible, don’t ya think?)
Are you impressed because you believe that the knowledge was divinely inspired or what? Because it wasn't. If the moon went through all its phases every 33 days the bible would have said 33 days. Everyone in the ancient world knew this information and I don't seem to see the connection with the thread title/topic at all.
It seems like you are easily impressed by information not worthy of any reasonable debate by anyone who has even turned on the discovery or history channels and watched a single show on any ancient culture anywhere on earth. The first thing they talk about is their calendar… and guess what… it’s “God’s calendar”…. Oooo.. and it is the modern day pagan calendar and the wheel of the year. So if you’re such a fan I appreciate you being a fan of my pagan calendar.
One more thing, I just got back from Ireland in September where I was inside of ancient structures at Knowth and Newgrange where the light shines down the passage on one day each year... the Solstice. Do you think the people who made those some 12,000 years ago read that in the bible? That’s a solar effect also known to the ancient world… solstices and equinoxes; there are two of each every year.
In my opinion you are just embarrassing yourself and you need to become better educated before attempting such a bold thread.
[edit on 3-3-2010 by JonInMichigan]
reply posted on 3-3-2010 @ 08:50 PM by Melissa101
reply to post by Solasis
Hey buddy, I do plan on starting a new thread every day untill I have finished. I move fast so I get impatient when people start a part one thread and wait a week or month to continue. So I thought it best to keep going. I do not have time to jump back and forth so the thread I am on I will respond to and not go back. I know it is un-orthodox but there is so much to cover it just would not be logical to try to cover it all in one thread.
Hey buddy, I do plan on starting a new thread every day untill I have finished. I move fast so I get impatient when people start a part one thread and wait a week or month to continue. So I thought it best to keep going. I do not have time to jump back and forth so the thread I am on I will respond to and not go back. I know it is un-orthodox but there is so much to cover it just would not be logical to try to cover it all in one thread.
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