The Multiverse - shaking the pillars of science, page 1
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Topic started on 3-3-2010 @ 01:08 PM by Frogs
You may have heard the term "the mulitverse" before. Those of you that have read lots of fantasy or sci-fi may know of it. Those of you that have read Moorcock's tales of Elric are certainly aware of the concept.

To state it in a nutshell - it is the idea that we are in but one of many different universes that exist.

Though popular with fantasy and sci-fi writers, this theory hasn't gained wide acceptance among scientists. However, there is growing evidence that the mulitiverse may exist. But, it is considered a dangerous thing to talk about because..

A measure for the multiverse

Despite the many virtues of the multiverse, Ellis is far from alone in finding it a dangerous idea. The main cause for alarm is the fact that it postulates the existence of a multitude of unobservable universes, making the whole idea untestable. If something as fundamental as this is untestable, says Ellis, the foundations of science itself are undermined.


The crux of this problem is how do you measure the mutliverse?

Calculating probabilities, though, requires a "measure" - a mathematical tool that tells you how to define relative probabilities. And finding the right measure for the multiverse is far from easy.

The trouble is that in an infinite multiverse, everything that can happen will happen - an infinite number of times. In such a set-up, probability loses all meaning. "How do you compare infinities?" asks Andrei Linde of Stanford University in California.


The article linked above is long - but rather good as it tell the tale of how one scientist may have came up with a way to measure the unmeasurable and in the process may have answered some underlying questions about dark energy.


reply posted on 3-3-2010 @ 01:54 PM by Kandinsky
reply to post by Frogs

Good call on the Elric reference...I used to love those stories. Moorcock had some compelling ideas...and played 'rockstar' with Hawkwind

This extract caught my attention straight away...

The main cause for alarm is the fact that it postulates the existence of a multitude of unobservable universes, making the whole idea untestable. If something as fundamental as this is untestable, says Ellis, the foundations of science itself are undermined.


It's just nonsense. An untestable idea is neither alarming or able to undermine science.


reply posted on 4-3-2010 @ 09:20 PM by Sonata
Originally posted by bharata
IS our universe infinite or a finite universe embedded in the multiverse which is infinite?

If it is the first then Santa Claus really exists out there somewhere, if it is the latter then he does exist, just probably not in this universe, maybe.



Its called a perpetual multi-verse if you want to be technical. There are one hundred, hundred trillion potential ones in a honeycomb layer but existing in all vectors or locations. The honey comb layer - technically called the unperceivable wall of inertia( solid particulate mash of cohesion lattices). The inertia wall is on a orientation of 114 degrees at a natural variance of 0-1 either on or off the most basic state of any state of matter-energy.

This universe recycles itself every 100 trillion years through the process of electric polarsisation - you cant see the age because stars are the only thing you can precieve to mesure it but the universe completly changes chemicaly about every 250 billion years so you instrumentation would only be able to mesure it at that range. The only way to tell its true age would be to mesure the uv light particulate density from the source at zero one degrees using a spectrometer mesuring uv spectrum only.

The current state of the universe using the

formula Etk=hy--hy'

ion energy by the magnitude Etk due to the destruction of quanta of the elastic vibrations of frequency v and the creation of quanta frequency v'. According to duetronic mathmatics the current age of the universe looks like this

(S)(I)=7+T

S means spin quantom number of the electron
I means nuclear spin quantom number
7 means gyromagnetic ratio
T absolute temperature

37 trillion years old.


reply posted on 7-3-2010 @ 03:12 PM by bharata
reply to post by lagnar



I know that there is a basis in Saint Nicholas but my point is a bit cheeky as I was referring to the big red suited man who can visit every child on the planet in one night and eat all their cookies.

You do make a good point, there already has been a Santa Claus
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