Originally posted by rick1
reply to post by Chevalerous
I knew exactly what you were talking about. All those intl. treaties are illegal because they supercede our constitution.
Yes of course! but maybe It's only beautiful words from the government which they are using to fool the masses to believe that you still are living
under a 100 % functional US constitution? maybe most of your old beautiful constitution is nothing more than a piece of paper these corrupted days?
All those intl. treaties are illegal because they supercede our constitution
Yes they should be from a constitutional point of view and not from a incorporated shadow government standing under contract Law who signed those
They are however openly never constructed to be a threat against someones Sovereignty, if they were, no one would ever sign them - exception would
maybe the EU!
But do you really believe that you are now living under the full 100% constitution when you in the reality have A CORPORATED WARTIME GOVERNMENT of the
Crown ruled by contract Law?
A wartime Government ruling with Special Executive Orders & Emergency Powers Statutes as well!
I believe that in International legal terms - some multilateral International treaties signed by the US is binding until the US choses to withdraw
from the treaties which then can be nullified by a statute passed by the US Congress.
Hence the International legal dilemma concerning the (by the International legal perspective and principles) Illegal Iraq war we have today.
They now only have 2 choices to go as I see it:
1. Honour their part of the International treaties which the US has signed and play ball with the rest of the of the International community.
2. Ignore the International treaties which the US has signed and withdraw from the International community by nullifying these treaties in the US
Congress openly infront of the world community.
(Or scrap the whole thing and implement a NewWorldOrder with new legal framework)
And none of this has yet happened, we are still in a legal vacuum concerning the legal outcome of these breached International treaties.
The US are naturally referring their actions as an act of national security - but the world community now knows that the reason to go to war and to
invade a sovereign country was a lie and was the result of the PNAC agenda. And they now declare that the Iraq war is/was Illegal.
But as I said before, you are now living under special circumstances and under Special Executive Orders..
And no one can force you to be a part of the world community.
And therefore it's impossible to know how they will solve this legal dilemma with the International community which are equally corrupt, and by doing
so in the same time, save their faces infront of all the world's citizens who are now watching them, and are waiting for their move to expose
And it won't be easy for them not to expose that their Corporated Banking Government is standing under corporated contract Law, and not the US
(Hence why I believe this is why we are very soon going to see a new Legislative union in the world - or maybe a North American Union with new legal
framework, like in the EU)
That would certainly be an easy solution for them to find a way out of this legal & political mess - and they can add a new world economy & currency
to that as a bonus.
The US has been in bankruptcy since June 5, 1933, when Franklin Roosevelt and the Congress passed and signed the relevant legislation.
Speaker-Rep. James Traficant, Jr. (Ohio) addressing the House:
"Mr. Speaker, we are here now in chapter 11.. Members of Congress are
official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any Bankrupt
entity in world history, the U.S. Government. We are setting forth
hopefully, a blueprint for our future. There are some who say it is a
coroner's report that will lead to our demise.
It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has
been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1,
Public Law 89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and
insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m session June 5, 1933 - Joint
Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause
dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official
capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and
Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal
Government exists today in name only.
Now! I can't verify this but many people here on ATS suspect that US Constitution was Suspended since 1933. The 1933 state of emergency was meant to
be temporary, and FDR even promised to end it before leaving office, but since 1976 every new President has to sign and renew these executive orders
which would mean that you still have a state of emergency
and as well are living under wartime government.
Since March 9, 1933, the United States has supposedly remained in a continuous state of declared National Emergency. Since that time, the American
people have lost their rights to government, and these rights have not been restored. The American government rules the people by Statute – not the
Constitution – in all cases.
Under an emergency government, all rights to due process of law are suspended.
There is a myriad of this written on the net where we can read about this - but as I said, I can unfortunately not verify it yet! beside what you can
read in many books and on the Internet.
America – Under A Permanent State Of National Emergency Since 1933
The fact is, American’s have been living under a permanent state of emergency since 1933 and the Roosevelt administration. Actually, many states
Every President since Roosevelt has used these proclamations for the sole purpose of maintaining and extending their own unconstitutional,
Caesar-like powers, and those Executive powers continue to increase. In fact, since 1976, every President has either proclaimed new, or reaffirmed an
existing state of national emergency.
Yes, we are still in a state of emergency.
NOW, THEREFORE, I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution
and the laws of the United States, I hereby declare that the national emergency has existed since September 11, 2001 . . . ."
That declared state of emergency has continued in full force and effect from 9/11 [throughout the Bush administration] to the present.
On September 10 2009, President Obama continued the state of emergency:
In 1973, the Senate created a Special Committee on the Termination of the National Emergency (subsequently redesignated the Special Committee on
National Emergencies and Delegated Emergency Powers) to investigate the matter and to propose reforms. Ascertaining the continued existence of four
presidential declarations of national emergency, the Special Committee (U.S. Senate 1973, p. iii) reported:
"These proclamations give force to 470 provisions of Federal law. . . . taken together, [they] confer enough authority to rule the country without
reference to normal constitutional processes. Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the President may: seize property; organize and
control the means of production; seize commodities; assign military forces abroad; institute martial law; seize and control all transportation and
communications; regulate the operation of private enterprise; restrict travel; and, in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all
(Most or all of the emergency powers referred to by the above-quoted 1973 Senate report were revoked in the late 1970's by 50 U.S.C. Section 1601.
However, presidents have made numerous declarations of emergency since then, and the declarations made by President Bush in September 2001 are still
It is also clear that the White House has kept substantial information concerning its presidential proclamations and directives hidden from Congress.
For example, according to Steven Aftergood of the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government Secrecy:
"Of the 54 National Security Presidential Directives issued by the [George W.] Bush Administration to date, the titles of only about half have been
publicly identified. There is descriptive material or actual text in the public domain for only about a third. In other words, there are dozens of
undisclosed Presidential directives that define U.S. national security policy and task government agencies, but whose substance is unknown either to
the public or, as a rule, to Congress."
The United States is formally in an ongoing (and effectively permanent) limited state of emergency declared by several Presidents for several
Google for much more!
But since I am not American you probably know about this a lot better than I do since this is not my area of expertise
(where is ProtoplasmicTraveler when we need him, lol!)
Yeah maybe you should talk with ProtoplasmicTraveler here on ATS - I know for a fact that he is a fountain of knowledge concerning contract & Roman
Law - and could maybe shed a light on how this will affect the constitution and the US relationship with International Law and this illegal war
[edit on 6-3-2010 by Chevalerous]