Dancing Plague of 1518, page 4


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reply posted on 3-3-2010 @ 05:28 PM by antonia
reply to post by Alaskan Man



Should have busted out a waltz and slowed those kids down.

Interesting illness, my guess is that "dancing" wasn't really dancing. it was probably some kind of convulsion.

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reply posted on 3-3-2010 @ 05:28 PM by DJW001
reply to post by cjcord



Hmmm... but the authorities at the time specifically ruled out astrological influence and demonic possession. And I'm sure they had much more experience in those areas than anyone here. Seriously, ergotism is a pretty good fit, but perhaps combined with other environmental and sociological factors. Perhaps it started with ergotism and other members of the community joined in as though it were carnivale.



reply posted on 4-3-2010 @ 12:32 PM by Solasis
reply to post by InnerTruths



It was pretty well documented. It's pretty much definite that it happened; whether it happened exactly as it's described is questionable.

"I don't get it, so I bet it isn't true" -- what an ignorant statement!


reply posted on 4-3-2010 @ 04:21 PM by americandingbat
Originally posted by Absence of Self

P.s.
Sorry, should have said. I'm interested in original sources. (thats eye witness accounts since by my logic if a witness account can be quoted sometime in the 80's it must exist somewhere else in a better form and thats the form i want)


I agree -- this is a very interesting topic. I remember references to it back in my grad school days, but don't remember what the primary sources were.

Wikipedia lists
this article as a source, which in turn should have the reference to the primary source the author (Waller) used. So far I haven't found a way to access the article for free online though

edit:

Here's the image of Waller's 2009 book on the incident at Google Books. Endnotes start at page 234. I'll copy in the first part of the first note, since it seems to answer our question:

This accounnt of Frau Troffea's dance is based largely on Paracelsus' description in his 1531 work, Opus Paramirum; only he provides a name for the first person to succumb to the dance frenzy. See Theophrastus Paracelsus, Volumen Paramirum und Opus Paramirum (Jena: E. Diederichs, 1904). A translation of this and other contemporary accounts can be found in Eugene Louis Backman, Religious Dances in the Christian Church and in Popular Medicine, translated by E. Classen (London: Allen & Unwin, 1952), pp. 314-15. See also George Rosen, Madness in Society: Chapters in the Historical Sociology of Mental Illness (London: Routledge & K. Paul, 1968), which contains a detailed discussion of the dancing manias; the English language version of Justus Friedrich Carl Hecker, The Black Death and the Dancing Mania, translated by B.G. Babington (London: Cassell, 1894); and the highly incisive analysis in H.C. Erik Midelfort, A History of Madness in Sixteenth-Century Germany (Stanford, Calif.: Stanford University Press, 1999). ...


Here's a link for the Paracelsus at Open Source Books.

editing again: Oh well, that seems to be just the introductory remarks to part of the Volumen Paramirum and doesn't include the 1518 dancing plague description. If I turn it up online, I'll edit again, but a trip to the library might be required


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reply posted on 5-3-2010 @ 12:29 PM by Odessy
some general info about Dancing Mania:
Dancing Mania (as far back as the 1300's!)


Having occurred to thousands of people across several centuries, dancing mania was not a local event, and was, therefore, well-documented in contemporary writings. More outbreaks were reported in the Netherlands, Cologne, Metz, and later Strasbourg (Dancing Plague of 1518), apparently following pilgrimage routes.

Men, women, and children would dance through the streets of towns or cities, sometimes foaming at the mouth until they collapsed from fatigue.




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