Fox News Poll: Iran and the Bomb Equals Disaster, page 1
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Topic started on 2-3-2010 @ 06:13 PM by Misoir
www.foxnews.com...

A majority of American voters think military force will be necessary to stop Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapons program, and many think it will be “a disaster” if Iran gains nuclear capabilities.

A Fox News poll released Tuesday finds that 60 percent of voters think force will be required to stop Iran, while 25 percent think diplomacy and sanctions alone will work.

Just over half of Democrats (51 percent) and independents (51 percent) think force will be necessary, as do three-quarters of Republicans (75 percent).

If Iran were to obtain the capability to use nuclear weapons, 56 percent think that would be “a disaster,” while 37 percent call it “a problem that can be managed” and 3 percent say it wouldn’t be a problem at all.

Despite a slim majority of Democrats thinking it would be a disaster (51 percent), a large minority think it would be a problem that could be managed (42 percent). In stark contrast, Republicans -- by a wide 36 point margin -- think Iran with nukes would be a disaster (60 percent).


This does not look very good. Now a majority of Americans want America to attack Iran. Things are just piling up for an attack upon Iran. What is left until we actually do attack them?


reply posted on 2-3-2010 @ 06:21 PM by ThirdJohnAdams
Especially after reading this, it could only be a matter of time.



US backs off speedy Iran sanctions promised Israel
www.debka.com...

Doing a complete about face, and leaving them to quote the article "high and dry" is exactly what were doing. I'd be surprised if Israel could show the patience to wait the few months needed for the Security Council to make a decision on sanctions.



reply posted on 2-3-2010 @ 06:27 PM by Sean48
reply to post by ThirdJohnAdams


Never underestimate the power of the MSM.

IF the US wants to invade any country, any reason can be drummed up

and beaten into the Public's head enough times, to make it seem like

a good thing, according to God.


reply posted on 2-3-2010 @ 06:34 PM by ThirdJohnAdams
reply to post by Sean48


My problem with this is, I really don't think were going to see the U.S get directly involved with Iran. I think this is going to be one Israel starts, with our POTUS saving the day. I don't buy into the MSM one bit, so you don't have to use that dry rhetoric towards me.

Ok so most of the American populus now supports military action against Iran; But diplomatically with the other major powers of the world, we can't do that, or even come up with sanctions. After months of portraying "harsh sanctions" on Iran as the saving grace for Israel we bail on them.
The Israeli's feel backed into a corner, throw in another nuclear statement from Iran, or more Mossad sponsored activities, and it'll be time for a pre-emptive strike. After all Israel can't afford to wait any longer.

They hit Iran, and stir up the hornets nest.
www.debka.com...

The american public now fully supports military action in Iran.

Seems plausible no? This isn't my full belief or anything, just one of the scenarios I could see playing out.


reply posted on 2-3-2010 @ 06:36 PM by jackflap
reply to post by Misoir


That is some good stuff Misoir. What is left till we have to attack Iran? I don't know if we have enough information to make a real guess, because we know that we are being fed only what they want us to see and think. I think we need to know full well of a couple of things.

First, we would need to know if Iran is actually letting inspectors in. I have heard so many conflicting things about this issue that I am left scratching my head in the end. I have heard that they are complying fully and than again I hear that they are not. So I do not know, but I will do some looking for reliable sources.

Second, the U.S. has a very real history of screwing with that nation for reasons that I can only assume are its oil resources. Like the Shah of Iran thing, the Iran Iraq war where the U.S. helped Sadam. Recently, the funds being allotted for the CIA to disrupt the country and destabilize the regime in Iran.

So now here we are, conveniently on Iran's borders and we start hearing about a nuclear program that we knew about all along. How long was it that we knew about North Korea providing know how? Yet North Korea is left alone after they blatantly test a weapon and supposedly help Iran proliferate.

Something doesn't add up, and in the MSM we are told how brazen Ahmadinejad is and all the bad stuff he says. We are shown the protestors being beat up and hear of all kind of atrocities going on there. Could it be that someone is beating the drums of war for an agenda?

This thread could prove to be very informative. Is it really as bad a situation in Iran as the MSM is leading us to believe? Is the recent CIA directive for them to disrupt that country to be blamed for the unrest?

These are the things which should be looked at before coming to a conclusion. There may be a whole lot more to it than we know.



reply posted on 2-3-2010 @ 07:18 PM by jackflap
Another Puzzle After Iran Moves Nuclear Fuel Published: February 26, 2010


Despite considerable evidence that the United States and Israel have at least partly penetrated the Iranian program — snatching up scientists, obtaining photos of the inside of facilities and tapping into computer data from the nuclear program — they still are not certain whether Iran is seeking a nuclear bomb, or just the ability to build one, or even merely the appearance of the ability. As one senior adviser to Mr. Obama said late last year, “We’ve got a near-perfect record of being wrong about these guys for 30 years.” What touched off this whole guessing game was a single sentence in one of the normally bone-dry reports of the International Atomic Energy Agency. The report said that on Feb. 14, with inspectors present, the Iranians moved roughly 4,300 pounds of low-enriched uranium out of deep underground storage to the small plant that they have declared they will use to re-enrich the fuel to 20 percent purity. (It takes 80- to 90-percent purity to make a weapon, a relatively small technological leap from 20 percent.) On the surface, the move made no sense. Iran does not need anywhere near that much fuel for its ostensible purpose: feeding an aging reactor in Tehran that makes medical isotopes. Moreover, the fuel now sits out in the open, where an air attack, or even a carefully staged accident or fire, could destroy it.


www.nytimes.com...

A good article from ny times. In it we see that inspectors were present to witness them moving their uranium to above ground facilities where they are more prone to attack. Everyone is scratching their heads at this move. Some say they are provoking an attack, some say they are complying. A senior advisor to Obama admits, quoted in the article, that we have been wrong about Iran for thirty years.

Edited to get my content correct.

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reply posted on 2-3-2010 @ 07:41 PM by sdcigarpig
Originally posted by Phlynx
America has no room to judge other countries on nuclear matters. We are the only county to ever use an atomic bomb.

Age old argument and from what all I have heard, it was a matter of numbers and a rush to end the war as fast as possible. We had a weapon that would in short, put an end to World War II with as few causalties as possible. And I would argue that the only people who would have room to judge other countries on nuclear matters would be Japan, as they were on the recieving end of being bombed twice. But that is not the issue right now, the issue is should Iran be allowed to develop nuclear weapons? And it goes more to the question of how does a country prove that the only thing a nuclear reactor is for is for peaceful purposes, in the realms of medical and energy? I think that the sanctions that the US has imposed on Iran has done no good so far, after all they did launch a satellite into orbit, and every time the US gets involved in that country it goes very badly. There are alot of problems with the Middle East and some of those problems will never be solved by diplomacy, one group hates the other group and bad blood runs deep and from times past. The question will be when will the actual truth come out about what Iran is up to. No country wants it secrets revealed, and even in the US the nuclear technology is carefully guarded, even that for civil purposes of energy and medical research. So the question is this, are they working for having a nuclear weapon in an attempts to deter precieved threats, or to be agressive nation? As much as many would think that they are going to nude Isreal, chances are they would not cause they would harm their own allies in the process, and or render holy sites, to all three major religions in the area, unvisitable. Ask yourself this, would you nuke a holy site, knowing that it will affect your own religion and harm your own allies?


reply posted on 2-3-2010 @ 07:56 PM by Misoir
reply to post by Emerald The Paradigm


I agree with you about polls. But the problem is that no matter how worthless they truly are the government loves to use them to justify certain things, it also works well for the opposition too.



reply posted on 2-3-2010 @ 09:38 PM by jackflap
reply to post by endlessknowledge


Lets get something straight, before the Iraq war the majority thought that Saddam possessed WMD. How did that turnout?


You see it's funny you should mention that because the majority didn't think that Saddam possessed WMD's, they knew it.

U.S. And Iraq Go Way Back


(CBS) Newly released documents show that U.S. officials, including Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, played a leading role in building up Iraq's military in the 1980s when Iraq was using chemical weapons, a newspaper reports. It was Rumsfeld, now defense secretary and then a special presidential envoy, whose December 1983 meeting with Saddam Hussein led to the normalization of ties between Washington and Baghdad, according to the Washington Post. The cozy relationship was an effort to build a regional bulwark against America's enemies in Iran. The newspaper says a review of a large tranche of government documents reveals that the administrations of President Reagan and the first President Bush both authorized providing Iraq with intelligence and logistical support, and okayed the sale of dual use items — those with military and civilian applications — that included chemicals and germs, even anthrax and bubonic plague.


www.cbsnews.com...

So you see, we all knew it because we gave them to him. Just kidding about that, we didn't all know it. Nobody knew about the above nonsense going on. It isn't like they came to the American public and said, hey we are using your taxpayer dollars to fund a future enemy. You see, it's an agenda. Look at what happened to good old Saddam too, we made sure he was hanged to death for using the weapons that we supplied him.

Anyway, the article is further proof that the U.S. has a long history of screwing with Iran.


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reply posted on 2-3-2010 @ 10:50 PM by endlessknowledge
reply to post by jackflap


couldn't agree more and I'm aware of how Iran has been screwed with by the US going back to the Mossagegh coup in 1953 by the CIA. Bottom line is that if it wasn't for the US meddling with Iran's affairs there wouldn't be an Ahmadinejad to have to worry about. Same could be said about Saddam, Bin Laden and many other.

This goes to show that the US should not be the judge of anything internationally. The only thing that gives them such right is the fact that they can get a way with it by deceiving their own population in to believing the propaganda.

IT IS TIME TO WAKE UP.

A new war will only add to the negative world perception towards Americans, higher deficit and more importantly lost of lives. Not to mention increase in support for a crumpling Iranian regime.
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