DNA PROOF Jews NOT Semites!!!

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by Stormdancer777

 

when i saw the guys i pointed out, i immediately thought of joseph's coat of many colors. those are definitely jewish skirts? kilts? loin cloths?

I'll be darn they are aren't they?

The kilts are an interesting topic but then that would stray us off topic.
www.freakingnews.com...

Just kidding,

however tracing musical instrument will take you places, there were forms of bagpipes in Egypt and Sumeria.

I wonder why would the impostors cut their foreskins off? Seriously though! Why would they go so far? Why would they care about a land that is good for nothing but war and figs?

Originally posted by Atlantican
I wonder why would the impostors cut their foreskins off? Seriously though! Why would they go so far? Why would they care about a land that is good for nothing but war and figs?

There is an answer to that question.

I traced that back through many cultures too, interesting slice of history.

reply to post by Atlantican


and the really big question: why would the marxist ones, come there from russia? are they trying to make it a socialist state so it doesn't revert to old testament type law? or is it something even worse? check wiki's description of a kibbutz (which are all over israel these days)

Kibbutzim began as utopian communities, a combination of socialism and Zionism.

en.wikipedia.org...

socialism and zionism? wowzers. someone want to translate that for me?

reply to post by undo


Well my brother spent 6 months on one a few years ago.

His translation, 7 hours a day mucking out animal an hour a day milking them, sometimes if he was lucky he would get to pick fruit or veg, then 2 hours of sitting around listening to those bloody bastads sing in hebrew.

That sums up his experience pretty well I think.

There's just SOMETHING about that particular latitude and longitude.

It's important to everybody, they say, because of God. Now why would everybody act ungodly about it? Strange for a world with little religious reverence! Maybe it's true, religion and good morals go out the window in exchange for peace in the area. But why?

It's either that or there's a mine under that sand / vast oil reserve.

I'm rambling like a 4 year old with unending "why?" questions.

Originally posted by Yissachar1
reply to post by kozmo

 

Christian huh? That makes you a spiritual Jew.... A wild olive plant that is grafted into the cultivated one... A member of the commonwealth of Israel.. But if the cultivated branches can be removed from the olive tree, how much easier the wild one grafted in??? Don't boast against the root then, because the root supports you..... Christian???? Yeah right! Do people in your church read from the white bible by any chance?? Do they wear pillow cases with holes for eyes in at the weekend for a good old session of cross burning??

Why don't you test to see if you are telling the truth? Test my DNA.. See how Semitic I am... You will not be happy with the result I assure you.. Your world view would change very quickly my friend..

A very wise quote. One of Paul's better quotes imho. But anyways, on the subject of the thread, Israel is Jewish land, while some Israelis may have taken in genes from the lands that were scattered about in, G*D has gathered them and brought them back to their home as he promised. Jews from Africa and India have been brought back to Israel as well, even some of the African Jews have been shown to have Semitic roots. But if you want the 'Palestinians' to have a country, why not give the land back to the last group of people that controlled the land without an empire ruling it? Or how about who use to call themselves palestinians? The arabs use to refer to themselves as egyptian, jordanian, and syrian, there was no palestine, it was just a province of syria in many an empire. And a whole bunch of arabs immigrated there after Zionism started in the 1800's and the Jews made the land livable, as Mark Twain said it was a deserted desolate waste. If you really care about the plight of all the refugees, then don't stand with the arabs. Israel has took in about the same number of refugees for neighbouring arab (but no those aren't semitic people) countries after the 1948 war and easily integrated them into their society. Even with all their oil money the arabs after over 50 years haven't been able to do anything but launch wars against Israel they continually lose and make the situation even that much worse for the palestinians. They only help they get from their fellow arabs is encouragement to commit suicide so that the arab regimes can distract their subjects. Anyways enough ranting, hope you anti-semitic anti-zionists or whatever you feel you are wise up soon enough and see that Israel is the good guy in all of this and G*D has their back, so don't mess with them. Because fighting the Lord is the stupidest thing you could do.

So the jews are about as middle eastern as Obama is black. This doesn't really change anything, they still have the bomb and that's the real reason the Palestinians aren't going to get the land they want any time soon...

reply to post by kozmo


doesn't matter. the jewish people as a people connected through a faith do have a claim to the holy land. nice try!

reply to post by kozmo


yeah, I can see where this trend could prove to be a problem...if buddhism really took hold of the USA and china/india became christian; the then buddhist americans might decide to reclaim china/india as their ancestral home

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Well this was one great thread that has gone south overnight. The trolls has now come out to play.

Watch the big fight between the bible troll and the zionist troll. Why can't they kill eachother and leave us ordinary working people alone?

T (currently rocking backwards and forwards with eyes shut mumbling "I must not feed the troll" repeatedly).

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reply to post by kozmo


Did you even read the article? Or were you just salivating at the chance to get a pot shot in at the Jews?

It says no where that certain people that claim to be Jews aren't Jews. No where. All this article says is that the Ashkenazim Jews show a recent mitochondrial bottle neck while that Sephardim Jews don't. At the end of the article, it is even said that one-fifth of the males in Spain actually have Jewish blood!

To even further bloody your assertion, there is this line:

Most of the Sephardim arrived after the peninsula fell under Roman control in the second century BC.

If the Sephardic Jews aren't Jews, where did they come from and why did they start practicing Judaism?

The game that you're playing saying that they're not "shemites" is silly. While "Jew" can be used to describe someone to converts to Judaism, it can be and is used to describe a people with a certain ethnic heritage. That heritage being from the line of Shem. Jews come from the Shemite line. That said, no where in the article is it stated that these two groups of people aren't Shemites. They may not be "fully" Jewish because of intermarrying with the cultures that they scattered to, but they're Jewish/Shemetic nonetheless.

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reply to post by kozmo

Thus, the claims of being Semite and having ancestral claims to the "holy land" are completely FALSE!

No, they wouldn't be. Have you ever taken the time to read the Bible? Okay, let's just say that "Jew" carries no ethnic baggage to it and is just like Muslim. Now, the Bible says that the Holy Land is promised to the Jews. So, whether they have a lineage that traces all the way back to the time of the Kingdom doesn't matter—the land is still theirs.

This thread reminded me of a book I read by Bill Bryson "A short history of everything" - he was discussing the miracle of our very existence in terms of ancestory, I managed to find a small snippet from the chapter I was thinking about...


Excerpt taken from
members.optusnet.com.au... (the rest of the article is worth reading)


Bryson was launching into an explanation of the relative miracle of his reader's lineage, by going backwards in time to examine the reader's ancestral tree. Pushing beyond everyone's comfort zone of parents, grand-parents, great-grand-parents back to the 19th century, Bryson (2003) estimates the number of ancestors the reader's life depended upon:

"Go back just eight generations to about the time Darwin and Lincoln were born, and already there are over 250 people on whose timely couplings your existence depends."

Darwin and Lincoln were both born on the same day - 12th February, 1809. At the time of Shakespeare (1564 - 1616) and the Mayflower(1620), Bryson calculates his reader required 16,384 ancestors to be "earnestly exchanging genetic material". Going even further back in time, Bryson calculates the following milestones:

* 20 generations ago - 1,048,576 ancestors
* 25 generations ago - 33,554,432 ancestors
* 30 generations ago - 1,073,741,824 ancestors

Finally, around the time of the Romans:

* 64 generations ago - approximately 1 million trillion ancestors.

This is, as Bryson (2003) puts it (my emphasis):

"...several thousand times the total number of people who have ever lived.

Clearly something has gone wrong with our maths here. The answer, it may interest you to learn, is that your line is not pure. You wouldn't be here without a little incest - actually quite a lot of incest - albeit at a genetically discrete remove."

In other words we all come from the same pot somewhere down the line, those members typing their enraged responses whilst wearing boxing gloves or with the 6 digits on each hand that they mama told them were magic hands might be a more recent arrival from this pot.

So for me the argument is an attempt at justification. I pray that a peaceful solution can be found one day..

bb

Whether modern jews are genetically semitic in ethnicity, or not, is irrelevant for 2 reasons:
1) A claim to land based on ancient ancestry is ridiculous. There are many red haired people in the world, descended from Vikings. Do they have a right to a chunk of Scandinavia? How about the Welsh, descendants of the Celts driven out of England by the Romans, also 2 millenia ago? Can they have the place back?
2) However, people have been persecuted merely for being descended from 1 or more jews, even if they were not practicing, nor even born to a jewish mother & thus not jewish according to other jews, without conversion. It is this persecution that made it about ancestry & thus we need a word to describe all of us who are at risk from yet another pogrom. Metal containers for food or beer are often called "tins", yet there's been no tin in them for decades. Its just a word thats understandable, as is "semite".
Zionism & the ongoing actions of Israel are different issues to anti-semitism tho. Even as a 1/4 semite, I disagree with how Israel was created, but surely its undeniable that, in light of repeated persecution, a safe homeland was needed? I cant blame jews for ignoring that part of their religion that says wait for the messiah: the bulk of the religious ignore some of their scripture. Also, the occupation happened, there are many Israelis born there that have no other home.
I believe that, since we cant turn back time, a 2 state solution must be found. It'll have to involve Israel giving up at least some land with available water & paying reparations, otherwise the Palastinians have nothing to give up their struggle for. I also think the UN will have to act to prevent the flow of weapons into the region.
As has been said tho, it'll not happen. At least, not until Mideastern oil becomes irrelevant to the world's energy needs. In the meantime, Israel remains the USAs unsinkable aircraft carrier & the arms dealers get richer...
Sad. It'll be the Israelis that suffer when the oil is done.

reply to post by Mr Poopra



"Being a Jew is not a religion, but an ethnic group. I should know...why? Because i'm a Jewish Christian. According to myself, as well as other Jews, i am still a Jew even if i believe in Jesus Christ. If i was an athiest, i would still be a Jew."

Well this is the nub of the problem. The final phrase of the article actually defins this thread viz "identity remains a confusing thing." I would also insert the words "emotive and" just before "confusing".

THe article explores the DNA of people claiming to be jewish. To my mind what it further shows is the weakness of ethnicity to indicate the prescence or absence of genetic markers.

To my mind you probably do not look "Jewish". Think about my expereinces. I have seen chinese Jews as china has its own jewish population, I have seen falasha Jews, I have also seen blond jews and brunette jews. My point is simple the ethnicity arguement you use is at the very least an inappropriate arguement.


Ethnicity is more a social science classification. The arguement proposed and supported by professor Jones is a genetic.

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Ha. The Palesitians came from Crete. Everybody knows that. I think somewhere it says all Cretans are liars so there there might be something in that for those of them that say they aren't from Crete.
It all fits.
I'd trust a Jew before I'd trust a Palestinian and not all Jews are trustworthy so that is saying something.

Originally posted by kozmo
Well folks, here it is - Proof the Jews are NOT Semites!

So, now that we can conclusively determine that the Sephardic Jews are Spanish and the Ashkenazim Jews are Central/Eastern European, I am wondering exactly when the Jews are going to return Israel to the Palestinians, the TRUE Semites. Also, will these posers now stop with the "Anti-Semite" crap, please!?!?

Just think of the implications of this. A group of people have laid claim to a land that they have absolutely no connection to whatsoever. And the majority of the world was complicit in displacing the rightful settlers of this land, the Palestinians who have lived there for millenia, in order for a people whose ancestors had NEVER set foot upon the land to live there. Kind of makes you wonder...

Where does it say Jews are Eastern European and Spanish?

I read in the article that many Spanish people have Jewish ancestry, but where in the hell did you get the idea that this article was genetic proof of Jews not being Semites.

Ignorance at its finests, with plenty of stars and flags too.

If your in the states and your moaning about rightful settlers, please pack your bags and head back to Europe. If your of English descent don't stop in England, keep going till you get Angeln and Saxony, Germany.

I've not read the article yet but I do notice a lot of chatter here about being able to convert to being Jewish.

In the past I've had flak for saying that that cant be true. If being Jewish is a race, and not a religion which I considered it to be, then how can anyone convert and change their race ? It's simply not possible.

Can anyone advise me please ?

Nice thread and nice article, but it didnt bring anything into my worldview i didnt already knew or had a hunch was not the way it seems.

Its gonna be fun now when Israelites jews can not play the Anti Sematic card anymore, could actually lead to some peace down there, now that israelians know they are fighting against their real ancestors, and fighting for false demogogs.

Best regards

Loke.:.

ps.

Star and flag for a lot of people in this thread who are arguing intelligent, but ill be damn that i had to impose so many "goodwin´s law" upon so many trolls.