DNA PROOF Jews NOT Semites!!!

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posted on Mar, 4 2010 @ 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by OddTimeSignature
This thread is really fun to read, full of arguments from both sides and really entertaining...

And the readout is...

Well Hitler and the naziz will be remembered for what they did in ww2...the jews will be remembered for what they are doing in gaza/middle east...and their mozzad doing in nations around the world...
Question is...who will be the most hated...


Centuries from now the Nazis will probably be romanticised, like the Romans, Vikings, and Mongols. All kinds of nonsense will be written about them. Israel, if it fails, will become a footnote in history. Jews will still be hated for being Jews. No one will remember or care what Mossad or Gaza was.




posted on Mar, 4 2010 @ 05:45 PM
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Well you're probably right...i know the Vikings wasn´t very popular when they did their ""Hello""tour around the world...



posted on Mar, 4 2010 @ 06:02 PM
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In the light of Leschwartz's logical and comprehensive anwers, I think the OP has been proven wrong and biased. The raison d'etre of this thread has been exhausted.
People can of course still fly against all logic, history, moral and scientific arguments - and common decency, if they choose to do so.
Further arguments on Israeli and Arab politics of warfare should perhaps go to other threads. This was about DNA ancestry of a type of Jewish people.

A last bit of irony: if we take the OP and his defenders seriously, perhaps someone should take a few million people from Spain and forcibly relocate them to Israel, and a few million Israeli Ashkenazis to Spain in exchange. Explain to the Spaniards that they are somehow closer to bomb-wearing Palestinians.
Let us see how popular, just and compassionate that proposal would come across to ordinary Israelis and Spaniards...



posted on Mar, 4 2010 @ 06:21 PM
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The Nazi's. The reason for this is due to the Jews always looking for an ally and most likely pushing black people along to join their cause, all while covering up the fact that they were heavily involved in the slave trade. They'll then tell the Japanese it wasn't their fault, cry for more holocaust denial laws, and ultimately Hitler and Nazi Germany will be known as the biggest threat to peace, while Israels killing of people who have historical claims to the land go unpunished.

In closing, the victor will rewrite history.



[edit on 4-3-2010 by EMPIRE]



posted on Mar, 4 2010 @ 06:49 PM
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Sending blood by way of post for DNA profiling is not a verifiable way of conducting such a test . There is no way of knowing that the blood sent has not been extracted from a Palestinian citizen . It would be a comparatively easy task especially in light of the issue regarding organ stealing.



posted on Mar, 4 2010 @ 07:06 PM
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Well you have some points there...but I´ll think the jews will loose in the end, because people will forget and the israelians are stepping on to many toes without looking back...



posted on Mar, 4 2010 @ 07:31 PM
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I still don't see earth being a hell. Our concept of a hell is based on concepts from religious texts. Scouring the various texts across the earth, we don't come anywhere close to a hell from either the Abrahamic or Dharmic faiths.

The Hells on either side, Dharmic or Abrahamic, are not pleasant even without the inmates.


Your concepts might be based from religious texts, which might be why you don't consider Earth a Hell hole.

But look at this way, a house is a house. It can be a hot and muggy unbearable house but its up to the people living in the house to make it a haunted house or a nice clean house.

I'm not calling earth hell because of the environment we live in. We make this place a hell hole, Earth is actually a paradise. It's just haunted by souls that like suffering.


If the saced texts are dead, then they have no value in your argument. The secular also feel the texts are dead and the writings mean nothing to them.


It's all about the reader not the book. If the reader is alive he can read the book and gain from it knowledge and with time and understanding comes the wisdom. If the person is dead inside he will learn nothing.

But the book is just a book, no different than a comic book. The living can learn from a comic book just like they can learn from the Torah.

But the divinity comes from the reader of the dead letter on the tree bark.


Most of the death and destruction wrought on this planet are from the secular. The Soviet Union and the People's Republic of China in the 20th century took the lives of around 100 million people. The National Socialists were not far behind and they were for the most part secular. Those three committed the worst atrocities in the history of the human race. That is the result when G-d, Abrahmic or Dharmic, dies in a culture, a Nietzschean ubermensch rises in its place and insanity results.


To say this is just silly really...

Are you saying death and destruction has not come from people of faith equally if not more so than by people who have no faith?

Like i said fifth and religion is not the source of divinity, that comes from within the person. A person can be secular and not believe the Torah and still know the value of another human life. This is deep wisdom of the secular persons divinity.

In the same way a person of undeniable faith can be dead inside his soul and kill another for his God.


The most religious people on the planet wall themselves off in monasteries and break off contact with the rest of the world.

Even the early Gnostics did that.


The Gnostics did this out of persecution, they were being burned alive lol. And religion has nothing to do with Gnosticism, it's actually the complete opposite of religion.

Religion is just like the dead letter in the so called holy book. It is the knowledge and wisdom of the divinity in all that matters. One can be a religious person and do the same tho.


Trying to save the world will drive you crazy. Adepts and monks have known that for millenia. You can't reason with the unreasonable. The best that we can do is help those in need and in the process focus on enlightenment. Don't add to the chaos, don't be a part of the chaos.


Some times chaos is needed to see the light, and I'm not trying to save the world, that's impossible. I'm trying to let that can hear, hear.

Like flashing you lights to another driver who has them off in the middle of the night on the same freeway. I can't do more than that, no one can.



posted on Mar, 5 2010 @ 05:24 AM
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Originally posted by Shalzie
reply to post by letthereaderunderstand
 


did you run put your money on the bear? better hurry. But whatever you do DONT call Japan because we haven't told them about that yet. We're going to make an attempt to buy ourselves back from them so shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh be vewy vewy qwiet


What's the worst Japan could do? Let the cat out of the bag about the Atomic bomb not existing or that they cut a deal to attack pearl harbor to secure our position in WW2 and thus thrust us to world dominance, under the propaganda of Nuclear Warfare? Honda, Toyota, Sony, Mitsubishi and quite a few others will never let that come to light so don't count on it anytime soon, then again, everyone still thinks it IS REAL even though not possible that's why it requires a "special theory". Do you think they might tell everyone that Nuclear Energy is nothing more then water being poured over spots where magma rises close enough to the surface to tap and thus create steam? Probably not.

Lets all remember the diagram of an Atom...The star of David.

Hold on...I've got something from the lord for Jew

I dood on you all day my people, if only you would listen to me instead of causing me to be angry. If you would judge righteously amongst my offspring, then I would light on you and you would know me who has formed you, says the lord. I have chosen you to lead, not destroy the weak and powerless, to rape the helpless, yet you cause my wrath to boil and my face to be hidden from you...oh my people please listen to me and do not contend, for my sake I have kept you to shine and be a light to my children, yet you hide in war, and strive with me, my only child hear my words and understand my mouth, there will be no peace for the wicked, says the God of Avrm, Yitzak, Yacov, and If you will not turn then you are forcing my hand for I will not accept your offerings, nor will I bless you in your paths, but I will send out a fire to consume you and you will know I am the lord your God...says the lord, when I consume you out of your inhertence for in the day you do wickedness all of the good you have done vanishes before my eyes...Please don't cause me to wrath for I the Lord do not change and I will not accept bribery for peace, but will go out as a warrior and wholly destroy you out of the land I have promised to your fathers and their seed after them, for you will keep my statutes and you WILL judge righteously says the lord your God....You who say, "The lord does not see me", yet my eyes are everywhere and I see all that you do in secret. You escape me not, says the lord. You will fully consume that which is burnt by my breath the burnt offering, or you will take it's place and I shall consume you till you are not. hear me Yisrael, the lord our God is one.

That is all...

You gotta love how Hiroshima, sounds exactly like Heiroshalom..."Founded Peaceful". Even the Japanese subconsciously pay the Jews tribute and they don't even know it.

Nope, they are going to keep that nuke card going for as long as they can. It secures power for both sides, well now any side who need to control their population with fear, they only need say "Nuclear Terrorist", like training a dog to sit on command..."sit ubu, sit".

Thanks Einstein, you played Doc Emmit Browns dog perfectly you shaggy German sheep Caleb. What's it like one minute into the future? How about that Delorian eh? Marty is all worried you were disintegrated. "1.21 jiggawatts" and all.

For a people that lost over 70,000 in one siting, and another 100,000 shortly there after, they sure are humble aren't they those Japanese. Must be Magi Dojo and the bonzi tree that keeps them so calm and forgiving. Or maybe its Daniel Son and his fly catching chop stick action. No it's the Crane Kick...the Yod. Wax on wax off, just like the Japanese attitudes over the brutality done to them. "Focus, alrays focus, look me ina eye." Like a stellar Yoda, (hey Yod again) "Walk dis side a road ok, walka dat side a road ok, walk down middle, squish...just like grape." "Do or do not, there is no try"

They don't blame America, rather it was humanities fault. Humanity let that occur, not the Americans and since humanity is kin to them...they forgive, even though they forget to tell you about the bombing runs done on Hiroshima during the 3 weeks leading up to 8:15am on that fate filled day, but that probably had nothing to do with the destruction of the city right?. After putting them in an oven for 70,000, they wanted to be like Americans in most every way. What was the number one thing they wanted for quite a while in trying to emulate Americans?...This is kinda funny given the subject...Levi's/Strauss Blue Jeans.

You won't find one Japanese report or interview where they are volatile towards America, not even the ones who were put into concentration camps right here at Manzamar, no different then the Jews in Europe. They were rounded up from their homes and taken to camps and many of them died there, but I've never heard a Jew mention what the Japanese went through once.

You would expect that Jewish leadership would stand up for people being as oppressed as they were and that they would be the first to exhibit compassion and love upon those who have suffered in a similar manner to them. The Jewish leaders, over anyone, should know what empathy is, but it is not so with them, as they exhibit to the world. They just want to start fights and drag as many into them as possible, while they sneak out the back door, watch the chaos, then pull the order they want out of it...ORDO AB CHAO

True Prodigies...


People always seam to forget that the leaders aren't in hand to hand combat, they aren't out killing people or on patrol...they just shake hands and sign a piece of paper while taking a picture, then have a wonderful dinner, champagne, and off to bed, full, fat, and happy with visions of sugar plums in their heads dreaming of how to screw each other over on the next round.

Pathetic...

On a happy note...

Everybody join me now and sing...

One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.
Sclemeel, schlemazel, hasenfeffer incorporated.
We're gonna do it!
Give us any chance, we'll take it.
Give us any rule, we'll break it.
We're gonna make our dreams come true.
Doin' it our way.
Nothin's gonna turn us back now,
Straight ahead and on the track now.
We're gonna make our dreams come true,
Doin' it our way.
There is nothing we won't try,
Never heard the word impossible.
This time there's no stopping us.
We're gonna do it.
On your mark, get set, and go now,
Got a dream and we just know now,
We're gonna make our dream come true.
And we'll do it our way, yes our way.
Make all our dreams come true,
And do it our way, yes our way,
Make all our dreams come true
For me and you.


Don't worry they know what's best for you...Lenny and Squigy of course, that is until the fonze steps in "aehhhhh" or "Bowzer" from sha na na.

PS...that message is real for Jew my friends. I wouldn't dismiss it...though you think me an idiot, that's no secret. The lord works in mysterious ways...and who would believe that Hashem was speaking to you directly through a servant anyway?...Soften that neck or get a yoke, your choice.

Peace



posted on Mar, 5 2010 @ 06:19 AM
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Everyone would be well advised to look at the big picture.

Eons from now, we won't exist as a species.
Especially if we concentrate our efforts on very petty things like this.

DNA says that one group is or isn't this or that.
So what?

We humans share DNA segments that are found in frogs, does that make us Amphibians?

If we are ever to find our way across the universe to locate a new home when ours is dying, we must work together.

I fear that will never happen with all of the squabbles over INSIGNIFICANT things as we see here.

Our concentration on small matters will ensure our extinction in the end.



posted on Mar, 5 2010 @ 06:37 AM
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Many thanks for another fascinating post.

Btw, let's not eat Grandma



posted on Mar, 5 2010 @ 06:45 AM
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This is not a conspiracy. Nobody tried to trick anybody. All the tests tell us is that somewhere along the way, folks migrated from Israel north, and mingled with others. You didn't read it correctly. You are tracing a 'start' point of heritage from what is NOT a start point. You added an interpretation to the thing that is not logical.

Furthermore, what do you propose be done with this information? More upheaval? More forced relocation of people? Are you prepared to be forced to return you land to its original inhabitants? If you're in the US, are you prepared to have you home handed over to a native american tribe, and then be shipped back to europe?
You can't turn back time.

Claims to land based on the past in the ME are futile. The national boundaries there were imposed by Europe, much as was the state of Israel. Europe and America blocked Jews from resettling there. If you were Jewish at the time, I bet you would have considered getting out of where your people were just slaughtered en masse, and racism had turned you into a target.

LOTS of people in the ME have been essentially forced to inhabit unnatural nations. Ask the Kurds how they feel about their divided lands between Turkey and Iraq, for example. Ask the Syrians why they chose killing Palestinians over helping them. England and the Arab states are as much to blame as anyone for the plight of the 'Palestinians', another dubious 'nation'.

The mess genes make out of 'races' cuts a wiiiiiide swath through our common deliniations - yours too, for certain.

This is an interesting article, but your spin on it is just plain ridiculous.

and ATS, shame on you for letting crap like this fester on your boards. The sheer obsession people have with somehow knocking Jews down a few pegs is outright disgusting, and you are providing a petri dish for these idiotic ideas to grow.

This is one of several reasons I hardly come here any more - the other being the low, low intellectual level of the popular threads.

Be glad u folks have this place - your ideas can't live in the earth's natural atmosphere - they're ridiculous.



posted on Mar, 5 2010 @ 06:48 AM
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OK, that was strange....

Do you have any sources for your theory about nuclear energy & nuclear bombs not existing?



posted on Mar, 5 2010 @ 07:53 AM
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Thank you for your post!


This is a lengthy thread so you are forgiven if you did not read it through in its entirety. Previously, in response to other posts much like your own, I alluded to exactly the facts that you bring up - namely that the ME is the cradle of civilization. It is where the WHOLE of mankind originated. To that end, EVERYONE has some historical claim to the ME. Next, due to typical migrations and displacement of persons throughout history, we inevitably ALL share DNA and are related as a species and a race - the HUMAN race! We have intermingled, co-mingled, cross bred etc... What separates most is NOT our DNA, but the cultural and societal norms that we have elected to participate in.

A perfect example would be the US itself. This nation is comprised of hundreds of races and nationalities from around the world - hence the "great melting pot". There are still many among us that practice traditions from our racial heritage, but for the most part, we have become AMERICAN and have adopted the traditions, values, mores, and norms of the greater society in which we live. In short, it has become our new identity.

Once again, I did NOT begin this thread to bash Jews. But rather to illuminate several key points - the first among them being that the Jews of today are NOT the direct Semitic descendents from the Holy Land. Just as my lineage originated in Russia over 10 generations ago does not make me Russian. Those 10 generations have seen mixtures of Irish, Italian, Polish and other nationalities inter-bred with my Russian heritage to make me who I am today.

The prupose of the thread is to illuminate a fallacy - a fallacy which has caused more wars, death and human suffering than any other in modern times. To point out non-sequitur reasoning for the creation of Israel. To dispell the notion that being a "Jew" is a race. And to attempt to point out to the Jews themselves that their religion has been hijacked by a movement that commits atrocities in their name. Until these issues are addressed in an honest, straight-forward manner, we are destined to careen down this wreckless path of death and destruction - and for what!? The fulfillment of some arrogant religious doctrine??? A doctrine that was likely created not by God, by men whose goals extend beyond anything remotely religious? Anyone who has any understanding of ANY religion recognize that these are not the teachings of God!



posted on Mar, 5 2010 @ 02:09 PM
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so i only got through 2 pages and nobody had pointed this out yet so i will...

the article does not state anything about where the ashkenazim coming to europe. the earliest date it gives for germany is 1650 by stating "In 1650, there were only 100,000 Ashkenazim in Europe". The earliest date it gives for spain is 711 AD.

now just doing a quick search on the internet i found this
en.wikipedia.org...
granted its wikipedia but still gives dates and all that fun stuff. if you look up what the word "semite" means it will give you this "The term Semite means a member of any of various ancient and modern Semitic-speaking peoples originating in southwestern Asia, including Akkadians, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Hebrews, Arabs, and Ethiopian Semites."

So in order to be a semite you will have to be from a certain peoples (either ancient or modern) who speak a certain type of language.

Hebrew (what modern jews speak) seems to come from a canaanite language.

but i am getting away from my main point here. so lets say that some jews that moved out of canaan after the second temple was sacked and burned by the romans. which is said to have been destroyed around 70 AD. so just from what the article says that would give jews some 641 years to make it to spain and 1580 years to make it to germany.

im pretty sure even by walking a group of people could make that within the time given. might even have time to stop along the way to use the rest room a time or 2.

also by the OP own title "DNA PROOF Jews NOT Semites!!!" seems faulty. unless ancient and modern jews do not speak hebrew then they would be semites.



posted on Mar, 5 2010 @ 02:56 PM
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From the Random House Dictionary : Semite--- "a member of (ANY)of(VARIOUS) ancient and modern peoples including the Hebrews AND...ARABS. My point being : Simply to say you have semitic DNA does not clarify whatever it is you were trying to say in your post...



posted on Mar, 5 2010 @ 07:18 PM
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Somewhere along the way, the point of the OP became lost in the shuffle.

My guess is that this is due to the many backers of the policies of the state of Israel bombarding not only this thread, but many like it with disinfo and straw man arguments. This, in turn, creates so much confusion that the actual point to the thread gets, once again, lost in the shuffle.

I am going to repeat this.

Being Jewish means that one is practicing a religion. It has absolutely nada, nothing, zipp to do with belonging to a race.

This is wikipedia's entrance on the race classifications of human beings.

Let me point to a few of the comments made on this webpage.



The term race or racial group usually refers to the categorization of humans into populations or ancestral groups on the basis of various sets of heritable characteristics. The physical features commonly seen as indicating race are salient visual traits such as skin color, cranial or facial features and hair texture.


Now let's look at Israel's law of return.

In this you will find what is required to be considered a practicing Jew.

You wanna look?
Let's.



On July 5, 1950, the Knesset, Israel's Parliament, enacted item 5710-1950 the Law of Return. Follow-up legislation on immigration matters was contained in the Nationality Law of 1952. These two pieces of legislation combine religion, history, nationalism, and democracy, in a way unique to Israel. Together, the legislation grants special rights to Jews with the aim of facilitating their immigration to the Jews' ancestral homeland. The Law of Return declares that Israel constitutes a home not only for the inhabitants of the State, but also for all members of the Jewish people everywhere—be they living in poverty and fear of persecution or in affluence and safety. The law gives the right of return to those born Jews (having a Jewish mother or maternal grandmother), those with Jewish ancestry (having a Jewish father or grandfather) and converts to Judaism (Orthodox, Reform, or Conservative denominations—not secular—though Reform and Conservative conversions must take place outside the state, similar to civil marriages).


This presents us with quite a conundrum. Judaism is a religion and to qualify for the label of "Jewish", which is necessary in order to be considered a practicing Jew, one must INHERIT this from their mother or grandmother. The qualifications needed to be a member of this religion are based on inheritance; however, other very few exceptions are made. (see above entry on the law of return)

Exceptions which make it impossible to keep their DNA congruent enough over a long period of time to consider them as a race.

These qualifications, which are needed to be considered a practicing Jew, are quite different than the qualifications needed for belonging to a certain race. Belonging to a certain race means that one exhibits " various sets of heritable characteristics. The physical features commonly seen as indicating race are salient visual traits such as skin color, cranial or facial features and hair texture".

Since, as the OP pointed out, someone can be a Spanish-Jew, a Black-Jew, or even a Caucasian-Jew, it becomes blatantly obvious that this is referring to a religion and not a race.
If being Jewish was belonging to a race, then essentially someone could also be a Caucasian-Black or a Spanish-Asian, which happens today, but these people are considered to be a MIXED race and NOT PURE BLOOD.
If something is not pure blood, then they do not belong to a specific race, but they are a race unto themselves, INDIVIDUALLY.

Your marriage laws make it IMPOSSIBLE for Jews to supposedly keep their DNA pure enough to be called a race, but it doesn't matter, because being Jewish means that one practices a religion and it does not mean that someone belongs to a RACE.

Due to the matrilineal succession qualifications for being a practicing Jew, being a practicing Jew is mistakenly seen as belonging to a race, and this is in no way valid.

Did you know that plenty of True Torah Jews are ADAMANTLY against the state of Israel? They do not wish to have a homeland because they already had one...

called Palestine.

This is all due to a propaganda campaign being carried out by the Mystery Schools, who infiltrated the ranks of Judaism long ago in order to create the occultist Talmud, which then lead to the creation of the "opposing" Pharicees and Sadducees. The Talmud is an oral interpretation of rabbinical law concerning the Torah, and the way of passing this down orally, in secret, was done through the Kaballah.

True Jews are as expendable to these guys as anyone else. They are using the cause of those practicing the religion of Judaism to masquerade as both a state and its people in order to conduct mass genocide on the current Arabs in the Middle East.

True Torah Jews recognize the Torah as their basis for law and NOT the talmud, nor Kaballistic belief.

I have posted numerous links to the other Jewish organizations who oppose the state of Israel. I will curtail the posting of these links because those who truly desire to debate me on this issue consistently and conveniently overlook these links and only discuss what they see as pertinent. (or really what they can defend and if they have no argument, then they ignore the issue)

I will admit that maybe the OP could have titled his post a wee bit better, but that is no reason to attack him or the people who support him.

And for those of you who simply state that Kozmo's points are invalid, but without giving any quotes or backing these opinions in any way with links, well, you guys are weak debaters. I take what you say with a grain of salt from the woefully uninformed (and a bit of disguised racism).

No one hates Israelis. What we dislike are the policies that the state of Israel enacts in YOUR name. Israel is making practicing Jews around the world look like heartless murderers.

Stand up against the beast of the Middle East and take the good name of Judaism back from these sociopaths.

Here is some food for thought my Jewish brethren.




posted on Mar, 5 2010 @ 07:31 PM
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star for you.

I am appreciative of the effort and the recognition.

I do not hate any people. What I disagree with are the actions of a state masquerading as a people.

Cheers.



posted on Mar, 5 2010 @ 07:31 PM
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DOCTRINE OF THE ABRAHAMIC COVENANT

A. Definition and Description.
1. The unconditional covenant (agreement, disposition) between God as
party of the first part in favor of Abraham and his progeny as the party of
the second part is the Abrahamic covenant. This is a justice covenant from
the justice of God. Unconditional means there are no strings attached.
2. This covenant is a deposition made by God in favor of Abraham.
3. Like all covenants, it is a part of the divine decrees.
4. Abraham is the beneficiary without merit. The source of this
blessing to Abraham and his descendants is not any merit in Abraham, but
Abraham's adjustment to the justice of God and the fact that God is pleased.
5. The source of this blessing to Abraham and his descendants is the
justice of God. The justice of God is free to fulfill this covenant to
Abraham at the point of his adjustment to the justice of God through the
attainment of his spiritual maturity. It's one thing to be in the covenant
(via salvation and rebound); it's another thing to know and understand the
covenant (in maturity).

B. The Original Declaration of the Covenant, Gen.12:1-3.
1. "Now JHWH [Jesus Christ] had spoken to Abram, `Go with reference to
yourself from your land, and from your relatives, and from the place of your
birth, to a land which I will cause you to see; And I will manufacture from
you a great nation, and I will bless you, and I will cause your person to
become great; therefore, you will become a blessing. And I will bless those
who bless you, but the one who despises you, I will curse, and all the races
shall be blessed through you."
2. Verse one emphasizes Abraham's necessary isolation and separation
from Ur for the fulfillment of the covenant, for the development of the new
race, and for the development of his spiritual advance, plus separation from
his family to avoid personal distraction. Land is specified because of
coming disaster.
3. Verse two is Abraham's logistical grace support necessary to
fulfill this promise. All four categories of blessing were given for the
encouragement of his momentum, and in anticipation of his reaching maturity
and historical impact.
4. Verse three is miscellaneous because it has three clauses:
a. Blessing by association.
b. A curse on anti-Semitism.
c. Messianic blessing clause.

C. The Land Promise in the Abrahamic Covenant, Gen 13:14-16.
1. "And the Lord said to Abram, after Lot had separated from him, `Now
lift up your eyes and look from the place where you are, northward and
southward and eastward and westward; for all the land which you see, I will
give to you and to your progeny forever. And I will make your descendants
as the dust of the earth; so that if anyone can count the dust of the earth,
then your descendants also can be counted."
2. This is amplified in Gen 15:18-21, which gives the dimensions.
3. The Jews do not have any right to this land until Jesus Christ
returns at the Second Advent. Any land they acquire now must be by
conquest, as with all other nations. Until the Second Advent, the Jews only
attain land by the principle of seizing and holding, a military principle
found in divine institution #4. To date, David had the largest amount of
land by conquering the indigenous population of the Jebusites.
4. This land promised goes from the Nile to Saudi Arabia to the
Euphrates to the Mediterranean.

D. The covenant was confirmed to Isaac, Gen 26:3-4.
1. This had to be done to prove the covenant would not be fulfilled
through the line of Ishmael.
2. This is the doctrine of blessing by association. Nations are
blessed because of their relationship with the Jewish nation.

E. The covenant was confirmed to Abraham's grandson Jacob, Gen 35:12. This
is why the title of Jesus Christ is so important as "the God of Abraham,
Isaac, and Jacob."

F. The covenant was confirmed at the time of the Exodus, Ex 6:2-8.
1. This was the time for the formation of the Jewish nation. This
covenant was the basis on which God delivered the Jews, a race in slavery,
and caused them to become a nation.
2. Six hundred years after the death of Abraham there are still
blessings to the Jews, all from blessing to one mature believer.
3. EL SHADDAI means the many-breasted God, referring to His many grace
provisions.

G. The mechanics of the abraham covenant demanded ultra-supergrace sexual
prosperity, Gen 17:1-7; Rom 4:13-18.
a. There is blessing in every generation to the Jews of that
generation. The omnipotence and logistical grace support of God are
emphasized.
b. Gen 17:2, "That I may give My covenant between Me and You; I will
cause you to be multiplied by maximum use of My power."

H. The new race and the land are brought together in the covenant, Gen
17:8. "Furthermore, I have given to you and to your descendants after you,
the land of your pilgrimage, all the land of Canaan, for an eternal
possession; therefore, I will be your God."

I. Circumcision is the ritual of confirmation and acknowledgment that this
is an unconditional covenant, Gen 17:9-14; Rom 4:13-18.
a. Circumcision in Israel is a reminder that God keeps His word.
b. Circumcision means that any Jew, who believes in Christ, will be
the recipient of this covenant forever.
c. Circumcision illustrates the faith-rest drill and Abraham's
dependence on the omnipotence and faithfulness of God.

J. Amplification of the Covenant after Abraham Passes Momentum Testing, Gen
22:17-24.

K. The Covenant and Joseph's Coffin. The Abrahamic covenant became the
basis of Joseph having something greater in dying than he ever had in
living: Joseph's coffin. His coffin was a doctrinal reminder to the Jews
that God would deliver them. It was never placed in the ground, but was
carried with the Jews to the Land, Heb 11:22.

L. God has promised a city forever suspended over the Land, Rev 21:2, 10.
1. This city, the new Jerusalem, extends from the Nile to the
Euphrates, and from the Mediterranean to Saudi Arabia.
2. This city is so beautiful that it looks like a bride. Of course,
all brides are beautiful, being animated.
3. This city is part of Abraham's eternal escrow blessings.




posted on Mar, 5 2010 @ 08:07 PM
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In the Bible, or Torah. God calls the Hebrews "The Chosen People", he first said this to Abraham.


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posted on Mar, 5 2010 @ 08:22 PM
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Until the 1950s nobody had identified an ancient culture identifiable with the Abrahamic Hebrews of the Bible ... then they found the clay tablet archives of the Hurrians which described laws and customs very similar to that of Abraham's lot.

The Hurrians were not Semites.

The part of Northern Mesopotamia Abraham came from was at the time inhabited by Hurrians.





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