posted on Jun, 1 2004 @ 11:04 PM
Thanks to everyone who has given me sound advice and replies. First, the website where I found the most information on actual degree work was
www.aasrvalleyofjax.org To the "Mason of Good Moral Character" I'll leave it to you to decide if it's correct or not. As for the smart ass
replies? Aren't you supposed to be of good moral character with a belief in "god"? If so, then you must not be of such high morals that you
attempt to demean me just because I asked for help. I do believe that your comments show that you must not be living up to your "Masonic" image.
Maybe you need to go back and do your degrees again because you obviously haven't become the better person Masonry was supposed to make you.
To answer some questions, my husband and I do attend church together but not regularly. It is a Baptist Church. In all honesty, my attendence there
is for the sake of my children and my husband mostly. IMHO, my early years, being dragged to the Kingdom Hall 3 times a week pretty well burned me on
religion and sometimes I feel that I'll never figure it all out. The way I describe it to people to give them a basic idea of what I feel is I ask
them to think back to their childhood when they were scared the boogieman was under the bed. Most parents would say there is no such thing. I was
taught that there was such a thing and I had to pray! I used to sleep with a tape of bibles stories playing under my pillow because I was so scared
as a child. Remember the whole DEMON SMURFS? My mom threw away my smurf sleeping bag. KISS RECORDS? Burned! To this day I have a deep aversion to
being alone in the dark. When attending a funeral...most have the comfort of the ministers words when he speaks of the deceased being in heaven. I
just sit there thinking back to all the 2 hour long discussions stating that only 144,000 go to heaven, the rest return to dust and await the
resurrection...but only if you have been a true JW. If you weren't you awaited judgement. Even if I don't believe everything taught by the JWs,
it's very hard to rid yourself of the things that were drilled into you from infancy to teens.
No, I'm not a person who is into conspiricies. I've been on the Ephesians website and other places like that and I don't believe in taking partial
sentences and words and twisting them into some pretty bizarre meanings.
When I said I had a problem with some of the oaths:
Furthermore: I do promise and swear that I will
not have illicit carnal intercourse with a Master
Mason’s wife, widow, mother, sister or daughter,
nor suffer it to be done by another if in my power
Furthermore: I do promise and swear that I will
not be present at the initiating, passing, or raising
of an old man in dotage, a young man under
age, an irreligious libertine, an atheist, a person
of unsound mind, or a woman, knowing them to
. I find that particular Oath to be degrading to every wife out there. I question it because if only men of good moral character are accepted, then
why in the heck are they basically saying it's okay to have illicit relations...just don't do it with another Mason's relative or wife? I also
have a problem with a man being required to remove his wedding ring for each of the first three degrees. My personal feeling is that if Masonry is
based upon allegories, symbolism, and a belief in some form of God....then why are the requiring a man to strip off the ring that symbolizes his faith
and love in his wife? I understand a man must present himself as a person having nothing, a young apprentice..etc. etc. Still...if he is allowed to
wear a pair of pajama bottoms with one leg rolled up then he should be able to wear his wedding ring. For those who will say just because a man
isn't wearing his wedding ring doesn't make him any less married or some other crap like that, it isn't the point. The point is what the ring
symolizes. It symbolizes more than just being "unavailable". If before every degree a man is told that there is nothing that will be done that
goes against god, family or country, then how can they require a man to take his ring off? That does go against family because you are stripping him
of his symbol of marriage and in theory, placing the teachings of Masonry above family. No, I have no desire to sit here and scream EQUALITY...You
must let me join... but I do think that the least they can do is respect the sanctity of marriage and show the respect that a woman deserves.
Besides, I have no desire to be paraded around barechested by a rope, blindfolded and have swords and compasses pressed to my chest.
As for whether or not Masonry is a form of religion, I can't say that I have fully figured that one out either. I will honestly cut and paste below
what some of the things are that I have looked at while searching for an answer to this. I do not have the websites to these, they were articles I
saved. Again, I am not trying to start an argument with anyone. I'm trying to understand and overcome my fears. I'm trying to give to those who
were kind enough to offer help an idea of where I've searched for answers.
Dictionary Definition of Worship, not sure which one:
To worship is to formally praise, honour, and declare one's devotion to a supernatural being, typically a god or goddess. Typical acts of worship
hymns or psalms;
the construction of temples or shrines;
the creation of idols of the deity.
The Thirty-second Degree
"Master of the Royal Secret"
~ Summary ~
This degree teaches many lessons, but the mystery
concealed is that man is a creature of free will and
capable of recreating himself. If he accomplishes
this goal, he will attain a genuine power that can
shake the limits of science, surpass the problems of
this earth, decipher the secrets of space, surpass the
limits of ceremony and catechism, and attain genuine
enlightenment; a gnosis which is the foundation of all
religions. He will also surpass the narrow views of
interest in the area of morals, and will comprehend
a genuine virtue that transcends his own interest.
Thus, it will become his nature to help his fellow men,
and, in so doing, he will discover the divine light
within which brings true freedom of thought,
freedom of conscience, and
freedom of culture.
A Soldier of the Light seeks truth and knowledge.
A Soldier of Freedom demands for the people free vote
and voice and attains freedom of voice, vote and
opinion for himself.
A Soldier of the True Religion combats spiritual tyranny
with reason and truth.
A Soldier of the People encourages men to be
self-reliant and independent.
A Soldier of Scottish Rite Masonry is zealous and
ardent in the performance of his duties to God, his
country, his family, his brethren and himself.
Do you endeavor to achieve the Royal Secret in
your life and within yourself?
The Camp, Lesser Tetractys, five-pointed star,
Greater Tetractys, seven-pointed star, triple
interlaced triangles, Trimurti (3-faced bust).
Gnosis involves direct "knowledge" and experience of the sacred, rather than relying exclusively on faith, belief or study of sacred texts. The
gnostic (Arabic: 'arif) draws upon this inner experience and knowledge to describe the origin and true nature of all things
Gnosis comes from a Greek word meaning 'to know' in the sense of 'to be acquainted'. Gnosis in a more specific religious sense refers to the
knowledge of God and the fullness of the true spiritual realms through direct personal experience. Similar terms are jnana (Sanskrit) and ma'rifat
(Arabic). A gnostic is someone who has had such an experience or who has been initiated into a tradition which provides access to such personal
In the one below, I did not add any of the references to pages or the names of what the sentences came from. I found it like this.
It is impossible that a Freemason can be 'true and trusty' to his order unless he is a respecter of religion and an observer of religious
principle" Mackey's Revised Encyclopedia of Freemasonry, Vol. II, p. 847] "The religion of Freemasonry is not sectarian. It admits men of every
creed within its hospitable bosom, rejecting none and approving none for his peculiar faith. It is not Judaism, though there is nothing in it to
offend the Jew; it is not Christianity, but there is nothing in it repugnant to the faith of a Christian. Its religion is that general one of nature
and primitive revelation handed down to us from some ancient and patriarchal priesthood -- in which all men may agree and in which no men can differ"
[Mackey's Revised Encyclopedia of Freemasonry, Vol. II, p. 847-48]. Henry Wilson Coil in his 15,000-word article proving Freemasonry is a religion
correctly concludes: Nothing herein is intended to be an argument that Freemasonry ought to be religion. Our purpose is simply to determine what it
has become, an is" [Coil's Masonic Encyclopedia, p. 513]
Answering more questions: No, I don't feel this way due to some sort of jealousy because my husband is gone to secret meetings. He is also a member
of other clubs, very active with charities and goes out once in awhile with the guys for a few beers. No, I've never been worried about extra
marital affairs or anything like that. No, I don't resent it taking time away from home. Time away from home is good. Can't miss it if you never
leave it. Yes, I know several of the members and I can't understand how some of them are even allowed to be members considering I can name off a
large handfull known for smacking around their wife and kids, cheating on them, drunkards and drug users. Of course, you have that in anything,
including church. Hypocrites one and all and they should not be tolerated anywhere.
So, maybe the problem does lie in how I was brought up religiously. All I know is that even as I sit here typing this, I am uneasy and keep feeling
like I need to look over my shoulder. My marriage is of the utmost importance to me. I've never asked my husband to give up his desire to be a
Mason, I have never questioned him on what activities take place at the lodge. I just want to find some way that I can live with the fact that he is
doing something that scares me so badly in such an irrational way.