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Originally posted by Pilgrum
What's a worry is these signs that the control system logic can 'lock out' the driver from having the last word IE unable to simply turn off the ignition or take the vehicle out of gear if what's being reported in relation to some of these run-aways is fact.
Originally posted by wylekat
The problem can't be fixed.
Yes it can. Instead of using idiotic amounts of electronics, go back to good ole MECHANICAL DEVICES in the cars! All this electronic stuff is for is to only 'sex up' the car anyways.
[edit on 2-3-2010 by wylekat]
Originally posted by Pilgrum
The story is slowly clearing up.
According to local media, the 'run-away car' guy is having his time in court to present his claims and has stated he did not attempt to put it in neutral despite even a request from a police escort because he was 'afraid it might flip' or words to that effect. Could be that he was also 'afraid' of what might happen if he switched off the ignition. Police have confirmed that his brake lights were on the whole time and they could smell the burning brake pads.
Originally posted by Equinox99
I smell a conspiracy. I thought about this recently because I had just seen "Who killed the electrical car?". To make money off of oil, the giants can't have this kind of technology out there. By rigging them to fail, they will ensure us buying gas powered vehicles are much safer and better. Therefore, we continue our addiction to their oil.
Originally posted by AwakeinNM
When I was SUV shopping a couple years ago, I was looking at Toyotas, and the sales monkey proudly declared that the steering of the RAV4 was electronic, steer-by-wire. I asked him if there was any physical link between the steering wheel and the front wheels, and he said "nope" like it was something that I'd be all impressed with. I told him that immediately eliminates the RAV4 from my list of possibilities.
Does anyone know if that's true about the RAV4? That's what the guy told me but I don't really know if it's fact, but no way would I ever think for a minute that steer-by-wire is a good idea. If it's true, wow.. wait til THOSE start crapping out.
And since when is a throttle-by-wire superior to a physical link? It's as though automakers are using technology for the sake of using it, regardless of the safety or reliability of it. Sometimes old skool is better, people.
Originally posted by Dreamwatcher
Originally posted by AwakeinNM
When I was SUV shopping a couple years ago, I was looking at Toyotas, and the sales monkey proudly declared that the steering of the RAV4 was electronic, steer-by-wire. I asked him if there was any physical link between the steering wheel and the front wheels, and he said "nope" like it was something that I'd be all impressed with. I told him that immediately eliminates the RAV4 from my list of possibilities.
Does anyone know if that's true about the RAV4? That's what the guy told me but I don't really know if it's fact, but no way would I ever think for a minute that steer-by-wire is a good idea. If it's true, wow.. wait til THOSE start crapping out.
And since when is a throttle-by-wire superior to a physical link? It's as though automakers are using technology for the sake of using it, regardless of the safety or reliability of it. Sometimes old skool is better, people.
I believe the salesman was greatly misinformed, or was trying to impress by lying.
He may be confused with Electric power steering (EPS or EPAS). EPS replaces the hydraulic power steering assist with electric motors. Sensors in the steering column tell the control system how much current to send to the assist motors. The steering wheel is still mechanically attached to the steering system the same as in a hydraulic power assist system.
I do believe at this time "steer by wire" and "brake by wire" without a mechanical connection that allows operation if the electrical or hydraulic system goes out is Illegal at this time.
I did find some concept cars that are completely drive by wire, but they are just prototypes.
Originally posted by Dreamwatcher
I do believe at this time "steer by wire" and "brake by wire" without a mechanical connection that allows operation if the electrical or hydraulic system goes out is Illegal at this time.
Originally posted by wylekat
The problem can't be fixed.
Yes it can. Instead of using idiotic amounts of electronics, go back to good ole MECHANICAL DEVICES in the cars! All this electronic stuff is for is to only 'sex up' the car anyways.
[edit on 2-3-2010 by wylekat]
Steering:
Electric Power Steering (EPS); rack-and-pinion with electric power-assist