Originally posted by richierich
Your code IS illegal.
Please show me the law where this is so.
Show us the policy that covers what is included on a ticket, and please show the part about making secret signs for a judge. If it is legal,
and you are supposeed to do it, then surely it is spelled out formally...right? NO!!
Policy is NOT law. If it is NOT written in policy then it is NOT wrong to do for the reasons that have been given. Our policy says nothing about
citations except one MUST be issed at an accident scene to the at fault driver. Reason being, the citation is a STATE form and the STATE would have
to mandate this. There is NOTHING secret about it since it is on the front of the citation and the driver gets their copy WITH the code on...if ever
asked I have ZERO issues saying what it is.
There is NO such policy
Correct, see above
because YOU and other cops just decided to make your OWN policy, which includes including hidden signs on the official form that are intended
to communicate secretly to the judge an unproven and likley false personal opinion that has ZERO to do with the offense charged!!
This is where you are wrong. I do not put it on a ticket unless it actually happens, and it IS proven by my dash video. Of course as you and many
say its not against the law to be an AHOLE, so if no crime has been committed then why am I having to prove anything..so now you want me to work
outside the same box your preaching about. Your correct by the way, it has ZERO to do with the charge...hence what i have been saying all along. The
charge isn't being an ahole, its the traffic violation, if found guilty or not is up to me to prove. Its up to the judge to hand out the
fine...nothing is changing, except maybe how much you pay, but you WILL NOT ever pay more than what the fine was originally for, so your mad at the
idea that someone else got a break, and you didn't...that has to be it because that is the ONLY debatable issue. Using your theory I shouldn't of
let the 17 year old go today I caught with 2 joints...instead he should of been thrown in jail and not cut a break because its WRONG for me to decide
his fate, I am not the judge, so just arrest everyone for EVERYTHING and not allow their life, circumstances, attitude, etc...dicatate anything
You would never want to get caught doing this by an attorney because he would accuse you of improperly attempting to influence
He can accuse me of anything he likes. I have NO ISSUES telling the court that I in fact wrote AH on the citation because the driver was aggressive
and hostile. I have NO ISSUES telling the driver, lawyer, and judge that I feel the driver should get the full fine and no break because he is an
ahole. Jut like I have no issue telling the lawyer or judge to cut someone a break because they were mature and realized they screwed up (just like
we all do). I am not influencing justice at all...that would be me saying judge find him guilt because he was an ahole. If I was doing that, then
hell yes your right and that would be morally wrong and ILLEGAL. But I still have to prove my case, still have to supply the court with evidence, so
there is NO INJUSTICE...except yet again, the fact an ahole pays full price rather then getting a discount.
in my opinion, any cop that defaces an official document without proper and legal cause should be charged criminally.
If it were illegal to not put anything in my remarks section of the citation then I would agree with you 100%. But again this goes on the front of
the ticket in my remarks section and EVERYONE see's it.
i think that YOU should face a judge for trying to subvert justice, and the appearance of all this is TERRIBLE for cops...the FED was right..it
looks BAD and IS bad.
Again subvert justice how? I still have to prove my case and the driver gets a fair trial...so where is the issue...oh wait I know, that aholes pay
full price and nice people who aren't aholes get a break. How is it terrible. What is terrible is a human being acting like an ahole when THEY do
something wrong. What is terrible is adults losing control and not taking responsibility. What is terrible is people like this is why we live an
such a society as we do. As the fed said he writes it out on his reports, as do I for an arrest report, simply do not for traffic citations. Tell
you what, to make you happy tomorrow IF I get a jerk I will write it out FULLY in the remarks and let you know what happens.
but you want more than the law allows...you want your SICK pathetic satisfaction at knowing that you are punishing someone, or trying to, for
actions that do not constitute a crime. Shame on you.
No I don't. Not once did I ask for more than the law allows, that is YOU thinking so. Never once did I ask for a bigger fine, harsher punishment,
unfair treatment for their court trial, etc....NOT ONCE! I am man enough to admit it DOES make me happy to see a careless ahole driver get the full
fine. ABSOLUTELY!!! This world would be much better without those who cannot control their tempers, cops and people! I again state that sometimes
they do constitute a crime and I make the decision what to do at that time. Again, just for you, after I write out the aggressive & hostile on the
ticket, IF, i come across an ahole, the next guy I will then NOT cut a break by just issuing a citation, just for you I will arrest him for
obstruction and lock him away. That way he got a fair shake as your saying and I did it by the book. Will that work for you?
Also let me point out...unlike YOU I am man enough to admit my faults, admit I am not perfect and admit that I am simply a human being doing a tough
job I love. That is why people get cut breaks by me ALL THE TIME, that is why I don't arrest everyone for every little thing like some do. That is
why I counsel kids rather then lock em up in an RYDC to rot. That is why I can go out in my city and shake hands with business owners, shake hands
with the homeless (as long as I brought crackers..lol, they love them), help change a tire for a woman as MEN drive by for 20 minutes before I get
there and don't stop to help, why I LOVE the look on a victims face when I tell them we found their rapist, robber, burglar, etc..., that is why I
like to NOT give citations to people who understand I got a job to do. So if you think I am going to lose sleep over making some jerkoff pay the full
fine because he is simply an ahole, you would be mistaken. Call me all the names you want, feel however you like, the bottom line is its not about
being nice to me the officer, its about having respect for another human being....especially after it was THEIR fault they even had to meet me that
Funny, I had to call the customer service dept for a company today and they had stuff so screwed up it was stupid. Did I scream at the lady on the
phone simply doing her job? NO....and because of that she helped me out and things are squared away. Had I called her a b word and c word, told her
to f off and said she's stupid, so she decided to screw with me and delay my order longer...guess who I have to blame for that? You guessed
it...ME...even if what she did was UNETHICAL or AGAINST POLICY...ahhh to have a world where people just understood.
Oh and lastly...you guys better hire robocop...cause the standard at which YOU think human police officers should operate is UNHUMAN....i.e. make no
mistakes, never get emotions involved, solve every crime, make perfect slit second decisions, etc.....funny rich, you seem to have all the answers and
know how a cop should be, why haven't you applied? I mean your standard is higher which would make those around you better. Plus I am sure you know
how to handle and deal with everything in society!