The Boys From Brazil: Nazis in South America

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posted on Mar, 1 2010 @ 04:54 PM
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In 1972 Frederick Forsyth released a book called The Odessa File, a thriller describing the experiences of a young German reporters attempts to track down a former SS concentration camp commander.

Central to the plot was the idea that many top SS officials escaped Nazi Germany (and the clutches of the Allies) under an operation called "Organisation der ehemaligen SS-Angehörigen", which translates as “Organization of Former Members of the SS” or ODESSA for short. Under ODESSA it is claimed that many of these top SS officials fled to South America in order to continue their work towards world domination.

However, several authoritative books by professionals involved in the U.S. War Crimes Commission (including T.H. Tetens and Joseph Wechsberg) have verified the organization's existence and given details of its operations. Wechsberg studied Simon Wiesenthal's memoirs on ODESSA and verified them with his own experiences in the book The Murderers Among Us.

While many Historians, Nazi concentration camp supervisors and other top (captured) Nazis denied its existence, neither US War Crimes Commission reports nor American OSS officials did.

Whether or not ODESSA actually existed, one thing is for sure, many top SS Officers and Officials did indeed escape trial, following a plan which some believe had been created long before the fall of the Third Reich; a plan to establish a Fourth Reich right under the radar….in America.

A theory widely speculated on by Jim Marrs in his book The Rise Of The Fourth Reich in which he posits that Nazi ideology threatens to overtake America.


But as Marrs precisely explains, National Socialism never died, but rather its hideous philosophy is alive and active in modern America. Unfortunately, most people cannot understand the shadowy links between fascism and corporate power, the military, and our elected leaders.

While the United States helped defeat the Germans in World War II, we failed to defeat the Nazis. At the end of the war, ranking Nazis, along with their young and fanatical protégés, used the loot of Europe to create corporate front companies in many countries, including the United States of America.

Utilizing their stolen wealth, men with Nazi backgrounds and mentalities wormed their way into corporate America, slowly buying up and consolidating companies into giant multinational conglomerates. Many thousands of other Nazis came to the United States under classified programs such as Operation Paperclip. They brought with them miraculous weapon technology that helped win the space race but they also brought their insidious Nazi philosophy within our borders.

This ideology based on the authoritarian premise that the end justifies the means—including unprovoked wars of aggression and curtailment of individual liberties—has gained an iron hold in the "land of the free and the home of the brave."

www.harpercollins.com...

But what of those Nazis who were not involved with Operation Paperclip? What of those Nazis who neither the USA or USSR deemed valuable enough or who themselves weren’t willing to switch allegiances so eagerly?

Nazis in South America

Although that list is very short it must be remembered that at the end of the war, the SS was estimated to have 600,000 members, all members of the Nazi Party who were committed to its ideology, in contrast to the members of the German Armed Forces (Wehrmacht) who were citizens conscripted into its ranks. The vast majority of this 600,000 escaped trial and punishment.

Well it seems their sudden rush to South America were not the actions of desperate men, but the next logical step in a plan that was years in the making……




A graveyard of former Nazis bent on creating a 'foreign Fatherland' in the Amazonian rainforests from which to spread Hitler's maniacal beliefs has been discovered in Brazil.

The relics betray a madcap plan back in the 1930s to create a master race thousands of miles from Germany.

The graveyard and other ruins that fanatical Nazis left behind are chronicled in a new book.

Entitled ’The Guayana-Projekt. A German Adventure on the Amazon’ it says die-hard Nazis believed they were destined to settle the world like pioneers of the wild west in America.



Final resting place: Brazilian natives at a Nazi grave in the Amazon. The wooden cross decorated with swastikas carries the inscription: 'Joseph Greiner died here on 2.1.1936'


Discovered: Crosses mark the graves deep in the jungle



It has long been known that Nazis wandered post-war into the remote regions of South America, befriended by fascist governments and military dictatorships.

The 1978 film Boys From Brazil told a of a bizarre plot to clone Hitler that was hatched by Joseph Mengele in his jungle hideout.

But the harshness of the Amazonian jungle was a strange choice of destination. Historical Nazi 'footprints' are found in grave markers with swastikas, photos found in archives back home and the remains of dwellings.

On an island on a tributary of the River Jary in Brazil author Jens Gluessing found a nine-foot high wooden cross decorated with swastikas that testified to one of the explorers who never made it back to Berlin.

It carries the inscription: 'Joseph Greiner died here on 2.1.1936, a death from fever in the service of German Research Work.'



Locals call the site 'The Nazi graveyard' but it was originally destined to be part of a string of Nazi settlements across the Amazon which Hitler missionaries would use as jumping-off points to spread the gospel of totalitarianism.

In archives of the Brazilian State Department and the National Museum in Rio de Janeiro, Gluessing found details of Greiner’s jungle mission.

Greiner arrived in 1935, bankrolled by the Nazi government and died of yellow fever or Malaria.

He was one of three sent out by S.S race specialists as the vanguard of what they perceived would be a wave of settlers.

Greiner and his compatriots had dozens of helpers with them exploring the region bordering French Guyana with a view to populating it for the Reich.

They also had their sights on the neighbouring British and Dutch colonies.



The Guayana project: Nazi's in the jungle Camp. In 1935 German researchers went on an expedition of the Brazilian jungles


With the natives: In 1935 German researchers went on an expedition of the Brazilian jungles



They sent back to Berlin details of how a German soldiers should live in Brazil, even though their cover story was that they were collecting specimens of fauna and wildlife.

Schulz Kampfhenkel, an officer in the S.S. and leader of the expedition which claimed Greiner’s life, returned from the jungles and submitted to his boss Heinrich Himmler details of the ’Guayana Project.’

'The two largest scantly populated, but rich in resources, areas on earth are in Siberia and South America,' he wrote to Himmler.

'They alone offer spacious immigration and settlement possibilities for the Nordic peoples.'

As Siberia semed likely to fall at that time to China, he recommended colonising Amazonia for 'people without living space.'

He added in typically Nazi fashion: 'For the more advanced white race it offers outstanding possibilities for exploitation.'



They applied to conquer the Amazon jungle


A film was produced showing Greiner's work in the jungle in the 1930s. He believed the Nazis could colonise 'Amazonia'



As befitting an S.S. man who bought wholly into concepts of Nazi race purity he said the people who lived there 'cannot be measured in civilised terms as we known them in Germany.'

With one million German settlers in Brazil already, he argued the seedcorn was already there for the expansion of the Third Reich and that they could secure a 'bridgehead' against American influence in the region.

The author found evidence, however, that Himmler had 'scant interest' in his grandiose settlement plans.

A Nazi film was made of his travels – but no mention made of the Guayana Project: it remained classified by S.S. intelligence.

'Given time, the plan may be submitted again,' Himmler wrote to his jungle emissary.

But his experiences were put to use by the Nazi war machine: he became Nazi Germany’s leading expert in aerial photo-reconnaissance interpretation.

After the war the Americans arrested him and he was placed in a POW camp in Salzburg, Austria.

Released, he died in 1989, still dreaming of a German colony amid the rain forests.



But did that dream in fact become a reality?

So we know that the Nazis certainly did have a very serious interest in South America and that this interest had begun at least ten years before the end of WW2.

“The 1978 film Boys From Brazil told a of a bizarre plot to clone Hitler that was hatched by Joseph Mengele in his jungle hideout.”

Bizarre indeed. But once again it seems that the only more incredible than the lies could be the truth……



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posted on Mar, 1 2010 @ 04:56 PM
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A notorious Nazi doctor known as the 'Angel of Death' is behind an alarming number of twins born in a small Brazilian town, a historian has claimed.

Josef Mengele was an SS physician in Auschwitz concentration camp where in a bid to create a master race for Adolf Hitler he carried out genetic experiments to find the key to producing twins.



Nazi doctor Josef Mengele is behind the high proportion of blond-haired, blue-eyed twins in a Brazilian town, according to a new book



The aim was to artificially increase the Aryan birthrate.

In 1945 he fled the advancing Red Army and made his way to South America.

It is there that the medic, who is believed to have been responsible for up to 400,000 deaths in medical experiments at Auschwitz, may have succeeded in his mission.

Baffled scientists had been struggling to come up with a reason for the high proportion twins in the tiny Brazilian town of Candido Godoi - most of them blond-haired and blue-eyed.

A staggering one in five pregnancies there have resulted in the birth of twins - the usual rate is one in 80.

Argentine historian Jorge Camarasa has now come up with an astonishing theory.

In a new book, Mengele: The Angel Of Death In South America, he has pieced together the Nazi doctor's later years after his flight in the face of the Red Army advance.

The Russian forces liberated Auschwitz on January 27, 1945.



The town regularly celebrates its number of twins, this picture was taken in 2006


This picture listed on the town's website under 'twins' shows another gathering of the community's offspring



The residents of the Brazilian town claim Mengele made repeated visits there in the early 1960s.

He first claimed to be a vet but then offered medical treatment to the women, providing them with strange potions and tablets and asking for blood samples.

After spending time in Argentina and Paraguay, in 1963 Mengele started making regular trips to the predominantly German farming community in Brazil.

Mr Camarasa claims it was soon after that the birthrate of twins began to spiral.



The entrance to Candido Godoi, which declares Farming Community And Land Of The Twins



'I think Candido Godoi may have been Mengele's laboratory, where he finally managed to fulfil his dreams of creating a master race of blond-haired, blue-eyed Aryans,' he said.

'There is testimony that he attended women, followed their pregnancies, treated them with new types of drugs and preparations, that he talked of artificial insemination in human beings, and that he continued working with animals, proclaiming that he was capable of getting cows to produce male twins.'



The town's official crest shows two identical profiles and a road sign welcomes visitors to a 'Farming Community And Land Of The Twins'.

There is also a museum, the House Of The Twins. In a bid to solve the mystery, former mayor and town doctor Anencia Flores da Silva spoke to hundreds of people. There was one name that kept recurring in their stories - a medic calling himself Rudolph Weiss.

Dr da Silva said: 'He attended women who had varicose veins and gave them a potion which he carried in a bottle, or tablets which he brought with him.

'Sometimes he carried out dental work, and everyone remembers he used to take blood.' Mengele lived in freedom in Brazil for 18 years. He drowned in a swimming accident there in 1979 when he was 68.

Genetic tests were carried out on the remains to prove Mengele died thereby bringing to an end decades of rumours that he was still alive with reported sighting from places as far apart as Portugal and the U.S.

The 1978 feature film The Boys From Brazil had as its plot Mengele hiding in South America with plans to begin a Fourth Reich with other Nazi sympathisers.

The plan of Mengele, played by Gregory Peck, is to recreate the childhood of Hitler for the 95 young boys he cloned from the Nazi leader.



Josef Mengele pictured in 1977. He drowned in a swimming accident two years later, having lived in freedom in Brazil for 18 years

So, what could this mean?

Author and researcher Joseph P. Farrell summarises:


The article, based on the research of Latin American journalist Jorge Camarasa, indicates that the doctor of death did indeed continue his medical experiments – on children – in Latin America, based in part on work he did at Chile’s notorious Nazi compound, Cologna Dignidad. This confirms a suspicion I’ve long held about the abduction of children in Latin America, and Nazi activities there.

But the article signifies something else, and something vitally important, something, indeed, that I attempted to stress in my most recent book, Nazi International: that is, that the postwar Nazis were not merely tiny enclaves of war criminals huddled, panic-stricken, together in tiny enclaves in Latin America and elsewhere. They were, on the contrary, highly organized, well-funded, had their own intelligence and security apparatus, and most importantly, were conducting and continuing the lines of research they had begun during the war. While my books have concentrated on the physics aspect of this wartime and postwar research, the possibility that Mengele continued his own research lends a gruesome reality to the Boys from Brazil scenario


So are the possible experiments by Josef Mengele an indication that this is more than mere individuals escaping trial? Farrell seems to think so…


But for Menegele to have accomplished all this – and the article gives a hint of the sheer scale of this project – he would have to have had five things: (1) lots of financial backing, (2) research facilities and laboratory equipment, (3) lots of security to maintain the project’s secrecy, (4) a “supply” of willing or unwilling human subjects, and finally (5) the ability to move fairly freely between one postwar Nazi enclave and another.

We know who provided the finances (Martin Bormann), and we know who probably provided the security (Heinrich Mueller), and we know also who probably provided the administrative oversight of these postwar projects (Hans Kammler).

All this is indeed an indicator that we have but scratched the surface of the scale and scope of the Nazi International’s postwar activities and research.


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Another interesting theory involves what is known as the ‘Nazi Bell’. What was the mysterious ‘Bell’?

Ferrell claims that:

In 1945, a super high-tech Nazi secret weapons project code-named ‘The Bell’ left its underground bunker in lower Silesia, along with all its project documentation, and a four star general named Hans Kammler. Taken aboard a massive six engine Junkers 390 ultra-long range aircraft, ‘The Bell’, Kammler, and all project records disappeared completely, along with the gigantic aircraft carrying them. It is thought to have flown to America or Argentina. As a prelude to this disappearing act, the SS murdered most of the scientists and technicians involved with the project, a secret weapon that according to one German Nobel prize-winning physicist, was given a classification of ‘decisive for the war’, a security classification higher than any other secret weapons project in the Third Reich, including its atomic bomb.

Could the project have been moved to South America where it was continued?

Igor Witkowski ( a Polish aerospace historian who researched this craft for 20 years) speculated that it ended up in a Nazi-friendly South American country, Nick Cook (a British aviation journalist and author) speculated that it ended up in the United States as part of a deal made with SS General Hans Kammler and Farrell speculated that it did not reach the United States until it was recovered in the Kecksberg UFO Incident.
An incident in which the crashed object was reported to have an ‘acorn or bell like shape’ to it. Did a Nazi ufo from South America crash in Kecksburg that day?


One thing we can be sure of is that all of these Nazis did not end up in South America by coincidence. Yes, it did seem like a logical choice, considering its abundance of nationalist strongmen and Fascist dictators, but it seems that some within Hitlers SS had big plans for South America. Their dream was to continue building towards a master race thousands of miles from Germany, but was is a dream they ever realised?

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posted on Mar, 1 2010 @ 05:18 PM
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Well done indeed. I love a thread that has an interesting story as well as being well researched.

I wonder if there are any records of how Mengele "made" twins, or could get two male twins from a cow.

As much of a monster that this man was, it could be that some of his research could help mankind if such records exist.

Maybe then the countless deaths,torture and experiments he performed on innocents could at least count for something.



posted on Mar, 1 2010 @ 06:05 PM
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Nice work. I had never heard of The Boys From Brazil. I am gonna have to look it up.

What happened to the Nazis? That is a subject that i consider my "pet" subject. It is something that i am wildly interested in, and spend a lot of time researching. I believe it is the key to the world we have today.

I was reading the Hoagland stuff on Von Braun (i know, *groan*....Hoagland. But the theory has some strong basis, even with all its wild assumptions) and the strange trajectories for the Explorer launches This, in itself, would tie in to the Nazi Bell piece above.

The way he appeared to respond to the strange trajectory tells me that why it happened answered another question he may have had. I would also suspect that the Nazi's compartmentalized their intelligence, as the US does (they compartmentalized everything else, why not intelligence). I would also be willing to bet that Von Braun would have had only a peripheral knowledge of the saucer stuff, instead being a ballistics specialist. No need to know the science behind it and screw with a good rocket scientist, right?

But seeing the effect gave a tangible hint as to what could have driven the technology that he had to have been at least somewhat familiar with back in Germany.



posted on Mar, 1 2010 @ 06:06 PM
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i would also suspect that this thread may indicate some of the reasons behind why the US has been so interested in the affairs of these countries.



posted on Mar, 1 2010 @ 07:46 PM
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Google for the Argentine writer, researcher and journalist Abel Basti. He had been alleging Hitler, Eva Braun and most of nazi high staff, lived and died in Argentina, near of Bariloche. For that matter, the current president of Argentina, Cristina Kirchner, come from a family of German military that served to reich.
Also you guys may guess interesting this video:




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posted on Mar, 1 2010 @ 07:53 PM
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Cheers


Mengele is a very interesting character indeed.


The notorious doctor of Auschwitz, Josef Mengele, has become an enigma of the twentieth century. Mengele's handsome physical appearance, fastidious dress, and calm demeanor greatly contradicted his attraction to murder and gruesome experiments.


Like a lot of the other concentration camp doctors, Mengele was apparently psychologically normal. To me it seems that here was a physician (desperate to find 'the' breakthrough) who realised that he had absolutely no boundaries or restrictions placed upon him and used it to his full advantage.

Another thing that puzzles me is the experiments he carried out. I'm no expert at all but he seems to have been trying anything and everything, experiments that just didn't make sense, in a desperate attempt to find a breakthrough.

But if that article is to be believed it seems they weren't in vein after all.

One of the more interesting things is that Mengele worked as the camp physician in Lower Silesia, the exact place where Farrell believes that the Nazi Bell was being developed and tested before it disappeared. Coincidence?



posted on Mar, 1 2010 @ 07:59 PM
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This is a thread that should reach 100+ flags, 10+ applauses and 100+ stars! What a mastered thread about a very interesting topic. This was well researched and excellently presented. This is probably one of the best threads on ATS at this present moment and perhaps it is the best
I am glad that you decided to post about this very important and interesting topic. I knew nothing about this. I knew that there were rumors, but I never knew the experiments were so serious and so well documented. I am interested to know more and learn more about this. I will read and research more into this. Very well done my friend. If I could, I would applaud this thread like crazy



posted on Mar, 1 2010 @ 08:03 PM
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I agree. Very Important topic. Here is a bump, star and flag from me.

So have the nazis infiltrated the governments there? Chavez?

Worth speculation at least.




posted on Mar, 1 2010 @ 08:33 PM
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Great research but nothing new to south americans.

I have a few friends of german descent whose grandfathers were runaway nazis, most of them admire their past from a distance, but there is not one of them who considers himself to be a nazi, times have changed and all of those nazis who migrated here have died.

My dad does recall meeting some of them when he was a child, especially one who everyday after work got into his uniform and listened to german military songs, most of these men brought great progress to these lands, some died in poverty and some just went mad, they were no different from any other group.

Me being friends with descendants of nazis while my great grandfather helped jews escape to south america through Switzerland.

Go figure...



posted on Mar, 1 2010 @ 10:15 PM
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Cheers


I agree. The Nazis certainly did comparmentalise their Intelligence, along with everything else it seems. I doubt if Von Braun had any knowledge of the Nazi Bell at all, he was a rocket physicist and focused mainly on conventional weaponry like the V-2 rockets. I would argue that he only really became aware of such saucer technology once he was in the clutches of America and NASA in particular.

But yes, Germany seemed to be investing a lot of time, money and effort into unconventional weaponry, things that Hitler saw as war decisive.

Farrell even argues that they were the first to build and use an atom bomb (or something similar, maybe on a smaller scale) on the Russians battlefront.

It does seem they were far in advance of the rest of the world at the time, hence why USSR and the USA were clambering over each other to secure the Nazi scientists services, regardless of their past misdemeanors.

Please add any other information you may have on anything related to this topic.



posted on Mar, 1 2010 @ 10:52 PM
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Good job organizing all this information! S+F of course. On the other hand, this information is down right scary! It would explain quite a bit. And you do hear so much these days of how nazi scientists have contributed to projects just about everywhere after the war. To think that they were highly organized and that there fascist racist ideals may still be strongly influencing say corporate America actually seems to fit their behavior these days. It is however very scary and makes me wonder, with the ancestors and the nazi ideals so firmly implanted today, how could we put a stop to the behavior which is still not ok!



posted on Mar, 1 2010 @ 10:56 PM
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The only reason that i believe that Braun may have known something about it, even if only peripherally, is due to the rapport that the field enjoys. Murmers of what happens in other departments are likely to be had in such an environment.

But, then again, we go a lot of our clandestine protocol from the Nazi's.

Truly, they developed something special. To bad it had to be atrocious, too.

The only thing i have to add right now, in my bleary eyed, pre-sleep state, is The Red House Report. I am sure that many here have seen it, but it applies to this thread (and may enlighten someone who, by chance, has not yet seen it).

In summary:


The document, also known as the Red House Report, is a detailed account of a secret meeting at the Maison Rouge Hotel in Strasbourg on August 10, 1944. There, Nazi officials ordered an elite group of German industrialists to plan for Germany's post-war recovery, prepare for the Nazis' return to power and work for a 'strong German empire'. In other words: the Fourth Reich.


It is interesting. The premise is that the EU is the establishment of the 4th Reich. It lays out some interesting facts that support the theory, as well.

I believe that the Nazi's infiltrated the west in general. The US was subverted once JFK was out of the way.

But when you talk about building a financial empire for the Nazi's, you think about words like "war". Is this not what the US has done since the 50's?/60's?

This is not to call Bush a Nazi (for those trolls out there). But, one does not have to call oneself a Nazi to espouse Nazi ideals and strategies, either.



posted on Mar, 1 2010 @ 11:30 PM
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The article, based on the research of Latin American journalist Jorge Camarasa, indicates that the doctor of death did indeed continue his medical experiments – on children – in Latin America, based in part on work he did at Chile’s notorious Nazi compound, Cologna Dignidad.


Colonia Dignidad is still a dangerous place -- Peter Levenda had a serious run in there while researching his Unholy Alliance book on the occult roots of the Nazis.

www.theworldismycountry.org...

boris.weisfeiler.com..../

Here's Levenda's account of his life-threatening visit to Colonia Dignidad:

blogcritics.org...



posted on Mar, 1 2010 @ 11:44 PM
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S&F

Have always been fascinated by post-war Nazi survival. I'm also a huge fan of Farrell's work(I'm staring at 3 of his books on my book shelf now). Sure, some of his theories are a little out there and are occasionally based on tenuous assumptions, but his research is always solid. I was absolutely intrigued by this idea of Nazi super-tech when I first read his work. It may not necessarily have been torsion physics devices or zero point energy generators, but I think that there is a strong possibility that there was more to Nazi science experiments then submarines, V-2s and a "failed" atomic bomb project.

I find it even MORE likely that individuals such as Mengele who escaped continued their work and probably even succeeded. I mean if the US can bring over a SS officer, who is documented to have ordered the deaths of slave workers, so he can build us better rockets and then make him an American hero, I dont see why Mengele couldnt have been given similar funds and backing in South America.

I dont, though, honestly believe that there is still some secret cabal of nazis pulling the strings behind the curtain today. Are their fascist today leaders spouting similar propaganda? Are there possibly nazi adherents among the world power elite? Are there still white supremacist groups today? Yes to all three, but "actual" nazis or their direct ideological progeny? No, I find that unlikely. I think we just get spooked sometimes by the long, terrible shadow that is The National Socialist Workers Party.



posted on Mar, 1 2010 @ 11:57 PM
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In another life time (feels that long ago) I was a travel agent in the Washington D.C. area and one of my clients was the head of the Missionary portion of the Seventh Day Adventist Church.

Notoriously neutral at that time (The early 1990’s) the only organization in the world that could get mail into Sarajevo under siege by the Serbs at the time and into Somalia under U.S. occupation at the time were the Seventh Day Adventists.

The man was a native of Germany and amongst his more frequent travels was to remote places in the Brazilian Amazon and Paraguay and Uruguay. Most of the missionaries stationed in these remote places would call me for their own travel arrangements to, since the Seventh Day Adventist Church which is headquartered in Suburban Maryland had a charge account with the agency.

They were all elderly, they were all German. That got me thinking and one day I just had to had to had to ask the head of the missionary branch who they all reported too if they were all ex Nazi SS Soldiers, he looked at me thoughtfully smiled a second whimsically and then frowned and said please, what ever you do never ask that question and never say that!

The smile looked like an “Ah the good old days smile” the frown looked like one of those “please try to be a little more discreet” frowns.

Funny thing about life, it’s not just the places you travel to but the circles you travel in doing it!



posted on Mar, 2 2010 @ 12:43 AM
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This is a very wicked post, im not finished reading it completley yet but good job on the research man ,very well put together
i just found this link and a few others that could be related to these same nazis in south america and its connected to this jim jones cult or the "jones town massacre" some weird secret society possibly related ?was this jim jones guy a nazi or a wanna be?

www.mswm.org...
www.spirituallysmart.com...

jonestown.sdsu.edu...

thy-weapon-of-war.blogspot.com...

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posted on Mar, 2 2010 @ 12:50 AM
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Dude i could not agree more,i think the nazis had a ton of secret technologies ,and thats why the Germans were always fighting with the Russians over each others scientists and their successfull expirements,i have always been intruged by nazi technologies and Hitlers fasinations with the occult and psuedo sciences,That grew even deeper when he met himmler who was obssesed with magic and the supernatural himself i like this post and ill see what i can dig up to go with it.



posted on Mar, 2 2010 @ 01:08 AM
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As to wether or not ODESSA existed is not an issue, its a fact..
Many nazis where given new names and inserted into postitions of power in post war Germany. They became cheifs of police, Lawyers, local government officials etc so it was easier to protect any ex "kammeraden" who was discovered..his papers would simply "dissapear" or he would recieve the best legal aid and walk free.

Much nazi gold was aswell inverted in factories and business, that aswell enjoyed government handout help (American and british money) in the rebuilding plans for post war nazi Germany. Thus the prospered in the shadows.

Yes many nazi´s escaped in the last months of the war-
The government of Juan Peron sent 3000 unissued passports to its Berlin embassy.
Selected nazis had to simply stick in a a photo with a new face and invent themselves a new name.
Many where hidden in the vactican, and smuggled out of europe with false names as red cross refugees by the catholic church..this is a story i consider MUCH MORE INTERESTING..



posted on Mar, 2 2010 @ 02:12 AM
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Yeah yeah, keep on bashing the good guys!!!



You are aware that the NWO won WW2?
www.gelderlander.nl...
www.4en5mei.nl...
At least for now....
They'll be back!!!





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