Well that's a good start my friend! We also need to do away with lobbyists, all corporate contributions, put limits on time served because there should be no such thing as a career politician! And then do away with the fed! Now we could start there....... S+F though for a good step in the process..

I completely agree! The thin veil of "democracy" has finally been pulled off. No more pretense. The people of this country have no voice.


Everyone here on ATS are not surprised, but I wonder how everyone else will react. Will people care? Or is this the proverbial "straw"?

It is amazing to me that only4 years ago the Democrats were ranting and raving over the reconciliation process - declaring it a consitutional crisis, an affront to the founding fathers and an abrogation of democracy. Yet, today they are doing EXACTLY what they railed against. In my opinion, that makes them hypocrites. To be an equal opportunity "basher", the REpublicans who now cry foul over the process attempted to do EXACTLY this same thing 4 years ago - which of course makes them hypocrites as well.

Folks, I seriously doubt that "Voting them out" will change a damned thing! The corporatocracy will simply replace their career puppets with new puppets who will continue down this same path. Witness Obama and all of the "hope and change" hype which has resulted in exactly NO HOPE and NO CHANGE!

How can we as citizens trust our representatives when they refuse to do the work of the people? The entire elections proces has been hijacked by the corporatocracy/plutocracy/meritocracy and the only candidates ever presented to the people are puppets of these elites. Redress of grievances have been cast aside and our rights are being whittled away. I am hoping that the military, respecting their oath to defend the republic against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC, will excute a velvet coup and run ALL of these sheisters out of office so that we, THE PEOPLE, may reconstitute a government OF the people, BY the people and FOR the people.

The time is NOW. If we wait any longer to wrestle control in a peaceful way, we will have no choice but to resort to revolution. I hear the clock ticking....

Originally posted by LolliekThe people of this country have no voice.

Ridiculous statement. This is a democratic republic. We elected these people into office. They are our voices.

If you really believe in the people having a voice, you will accept and respect the decisions of your elected representatives.

And Nancy Pelosi recently said a bill can be bi-partisan without receiving votes from both parties. So in other words she wants both parties to take the blame for the crappy health care bill the Dems are going to pass.

And some of you wonder why we like Palin (and others who aren't connected to the Washington elite).

This is exactly what the MSM doesn't get. They play along with the drama-reporting useless crap about them and trying to get us to think that the politicians are important.

The sooner we get the established Washington PROs out of office the better.

PALIN 2012.

Originally posted by Grumble

Originally posted by LolliekThe people of this country have no voice.

Ridiculous statement. This is a democratic republic. We elected these people into office. They are our voices.

If you really believe in the people having a voice, you will accept and respect the decisions of your elected representatives.

No! YOUR post is the ridiculous statement! Have you NOT been paying attention to politics for the past 20 years!?!? Read my post above for some insight on the "election" process.

not sure about you guys but i do not recognize any local state or federal government.

fact is the USA has ZERO government. controlled CHAOS is not government.

When all your efforts fail, stop and think. You probably have gotten hold of a bad assumption and it's sabotaging you each time you try to act. Because the assumption is part of your personality, it influences everything you do and so it all fails.

If you've ever searched the house for your glasses only to find them on your head, or gone looking for your keys only to find them in your pocket or hand, you know how frustrating it is to carry the cause of your failure with you.

When we talk about civilization change, we're talking about changing such an assumption -- and in doing so, changing society at its most fundamental pivot point. If we're insisting up is down, to insist up is up becomes a radical act, and one that most people will violently oppose.

Then twenty years later, it becomes the norm, and we wonder how people could have been "so ignorant" as to oppose it.

Since the 1500s, when our liberal revolution started, the world has been moving on two fronts. The first is technology, which would have expanded with time anyway; the second is toward a liberal democratic view of the universe, which we recognize as modern liberalism.

their nature free, equal, rational, and morally good.
The assumption of liberalism is that we needed a justification for throwing out the kings and idea of God, so we created a new notion: equality. In it we're all the same, or at least should be, so we'll act that way. In order to assume equality, we have to assume that we're all good, intelligent, and capable of making the right decision if only we're given the right opportunities, education, and information.

We've been working on this assumption since the pompously titled "The Enlightenment," which was essentially a scam. People wanted to get rid of kings and the assumption that there was a divine right, or even single right way, to do anything -- even if it was based on reality and the gods were a symbol for how reality worked, much like science is a symbolic representation of reality.

All of our bloviation about "equality" and "morality" is not the reason for our actions, but the justification for them. Kind of like when you accidentally buy an extra quart of ice cream, and then guiltily shrug it off with "well, we'll use it anyway eventually" even though you're planning to take it off to the TV room and eat the whole thing.

We need to change from doing things electively "because they're right" to doing things practically "because they work." Liberal logic works backward: we act as we want to as individuals, then find a justification through a universal, abstract and absolute good like equality, altruism, justice, etc.

Conservative logic works differently. We study the world, find what is possible, and then work toward it. Instead of using backward logic where we justify ex post facto our actions, we set a goal and strive toward it, recognizing that a pure result -- an emotionally and personally satisfying one -- is unlikely. But we do what is right nonetheless.

In turn, this makes us re-consider evidence that happy people make exploratory decisions, and sad people make painful but repetitive decisions. This part of human nature means that 99% of the people active at any given time are repeating a failed idea, as if waiting for a tiny awakened minority to start exploring a better path. Not necessarily a new path; just a less obsolete one.

Reading that knowledge into history, we can see that our worldwide flirtation with liberalism has continued because we are miserable, and so keep repeating the sad logic of the last 500 years while not re-checking our assumptions. As multiple problems with our environment and social instability cannot be checked any longer, look for a sea change away from the liberal ideal toward a pragmatic, conservative one.

Originally posted by Grumble

Originally posted by LolliekThe people of this country have no voice.

Ridiculous statement. This is a democratic republic. We elected these people into office. They are our voices.

If you really believe in the people having a voice, you will accept and respect the decisions of your elected representatives.

have you been smoking crack. do you have any idea whats going on in the world at the moment?

I had hopes for the new Tea Party until the GOP got into it. We do NOT have a choice of candidates for office and haven't for decades. The same old tired faces election after election. I'm looking at the Texas election and have high hopes that Medina will upset the apple cart, but I'm not counting on it.

The layabout sign holders for political machines have had their day. No more selling out your country for a no-show job in the public sector.

We need to take back our country from these elitist who have corrupted our educational system with their socialist agenda.

Vote out every incumbent. If you don't have a Tea Party candidate vote Libertarian or Constitutional, any grass root candidate but not Republicans or Democrat.

If we can get our country back, we can rescind a lot of unconstitutional laws, taxes. codes and fee that were created to control peoples behavior, (i.e. the tobacco tax 200%!)

Please folks, get off your butts and go vote this time. Learn about your candidates and use your discernment and intuition. Look past the sham and lies. Vote out every incumbent bar none.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: most voters are misinformed, and will use their Freedom to vote for Pleasant Illusions, which is convenient for those who want to corrupt and manipulate the nation because most people are easy to fool since their attention span is about two weeks. Consider this whenever you hear the radical proclamations of media figures, protestors and pundits.