reply to post by Yissachar1
I have never been a Pastor/Rabbi bro..... I appreciate your sentiment, and think that people do need fellowship with one another,
It's not a matter of needing to fellowship....it's a vital to the body of Christ! When all of us finally get to that point, hopefully sooner than
later, I believe mircles will happen.
but I dont need a Pastor to shepherd me... As a Spirit filled Jew, having the Holy Spirit, I carry the church around me wherever I go.. God
shepherds me, teaches me truth.. Why would I then need a pastor? That is what God intended from the beginning.. That He dwell in us... You wont hear
that at a church though...
ahh.. my brother ....we ALL need a pastor according to the NT in which the Apostle spells it out why we do...
11It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, 12to prepare God's
people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God
and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
14Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and
craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming. 15Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is,
Christ. 16From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its
we will always be learning, till the Savior comes, I know from what I've read, I've barely scratched the surface of scripture. Even Jesus said to
the 12 discilples that there were things he wanted to tell them but, their minds wouldn't comprehend it. I still believe we are here even this very
Paul sat under Peter for a good while...he needed a pastor and someone to be accountable to as well and be a bit humbled to learn from someone who
"didn't know it all."
It's intresting to see how God does things.
Do I need a pastor even though I've been one ? Yes. Why? I need to be accountable to someone as well within the body. I NEED to hear the Word and A
Word from the Lord: 'A' word, hopefully, that will carry me through the next week or further.
So God, our Heavenly Father, had already established a structure for the body of Christ to learn from. I fully believe those 5 offices are what each
believer are to be called to. That is the goal. Why? I don't see where else in the NT we are to aspire to. We are to DISCIPLE others within the faith
by example and word.
To some church is a building that they can leave behind on a Sunday... Man have they got it wrong...
perhaps, but, that's the very reason they need a pastor, Elders, Decons to bring them up in the faith and encourge them. We need accountablility to
keep the evil one from the door of our hearts because he also knows we are human and will do anything to turn us from the relationship God worked on
for millenias. For when we no longer NEED fellowship, Lucifer is close at hand~!
For when I was younger, the LORD spoke to me and said. .."The way to act toward Authority wheather it's a Pastor, policeman, your employer, ect,
reflexs your submition to me. How can you say you respect me when you hate the authority I've put in place: are they not there for your personal
protection??" and my answer that was in tears as usual ... "yes LORD..
Where you are, there is the church with Yeshua at the altar of your heart....
Totally agreed~! and there he sould ever remain!
I do go to Messianic Synagogue.. But that is to stratagise with brothers and sisters on what we do in the community, and keep each other
accountable and encouraged... Its not the whole deal though as some would have it!
yes... and those of us that don't go to a Messianic Synagogue go to a local 'church to do close to the very thing you do as well..to worship and
sing and praise him for lifting you up when you were down and open your eyes to Him who is able to keep you from falling~!
I know this. You do have a love for God's people just as most of us here do, and it's that love for God's people that make you angery... much like
Jesus wiped out the moneychangers in the outter court so the Gentiles could worship too.
but, instead, they found a way to make money, thus the
very reason Jesus whipped them out, because of his love for ALL mankind~!
Be encourged my brother! God see this happening too and has plans to deal with them and their ways. He's already putting them to the test by other
belivers making them accontable by the use of the internet.
I can't remember what the name of the website is but, it tracks who makes how much and
where it goes.
) they can't serve 2 Masters
I've never really paid only 10%, since very early in my walk, I've ask how much God wanted me to give and some times it was all I had in my wallet
and then some or none at all. Because HE was the LORD of my life!
If I ever came to a place where I wasn't exactally sure. my bare minimum was 10% and if I couldn't give that .. I asked him what it was I could give
and in those times I just prayed over the offering and trusted that God knew what was needed.
To quote downisreallyup....
The NEW way is simple to explain: In your heart, give everything to God, and then learn to "hear" his instructions so you can know how to deal with
all of God's time, money and things!