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Topic started on 27-2-2010 @ 03:28 PM by Sestias
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After months of struggling to harness the energy of newly engaged tea party activists, the conservative establishment — with critical midterm congressional elections on the horizon — is taking aim for the first time at the movement’s extremist elements.

The move has been cast by some conservatives as a modern version of the marginalization of the far-right, anti-communist John Birch Society during the reorganization of the conservative movement spearheaded by William F. Buckley Jr. in the 1960s and 1970s.

“A similar effort will be required today of conservative political and intellectual leaders,” former Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson wrote in his column in The Washington Post. “It will not be easy. Sometimes it takes courage to stand before a large crowd and proclaim that two plus two equals four.”

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Actually, as a leftist I would like to see the GOP embrace it's more radical elements. That would further marginalize the party and make it easier to beat in the coming elections. The truth is that the Tea Partiers do not comprise a sufficient majority to win many major victories in this country.

The present move by the Republican party to once again embrace those who are being called RINOs and regroup its forces strikes me as a very shrewd one.

For a long time now the GOP has not had any leaders of the stature of Bill Buckley, a brilliant and articulate intellectual who was a major mover in the party in the 60's and 70's. Buckley was a man of ideas, not just an inventor of catchy phrases, and could hold his own in ideological debates.

This move to the ideological right/center and the ouster of the fringe elements to the . . .well, to the fringe...could well win elections. And it certainly would get more respect for Republicans from people like me.


reply posted on 27-2-2010 @ 03:35 PM by Alxandro
Originally posted by Sestias
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The truth is that the Tea Partiers do not comprise a sufficient majority to win many major victories in this country.



If you really think the Tea Partiers are 100% Conservative, you are in for a rude awakening.
The Tea Party movement is the closest thing to a third party this country has ever seen in recent history and if more Democrats were to look at it seriously, they would be surprised.


reply posted on 27-2-2010 @ 03:44 PM by Sestias
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You could be right. I may be vastly underestimating the discontent in this country and the possibility of a winning third party in the coming elections.

It's just hard for me to take people who want to secede from the Union seriously. We tried that once in this country, and as you know it did not work out well for the Confederacy, or for anybody, for that matter.


reply posted on 27-2-2010 @ 04:01 PM by Sestias
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As I understand it, the origin of the neocons was in former liberals and even radicals moving to the right and embracing conservatism.

Neocons are the worst of both worlds. All parties should avoid them.


reply posted on 27-2-2010 @ 09:48 PM by whaaa
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I don't think the neocons are conservative but they usually call themselves Republicans.

www.oldamericancentury.org...



And even if they aren't in power currently they are still major players and with their alies "The Family" pjmiller.wordpress.com... they have more power in the US than most people can even conceive of.
The PNAC is far from being dead and the leaders are brilliant, ruthless and evil. They are also very powerful with an enormous war chest and play the GOP and it's members like a $5 fiddle. They see the TPM as a bunch of hillbillys and a group to be scorned as fools.
The neocons and The Family are the true elite and party politics are just something to amuse the rabble. The Bohemium Grove crowd and Skull and Bonesmen are much more than social orginizations; their members yield exceptional power in places that matter.

The power play in DC isn't as simple as it seems and is as full of intrugue as a Dan Brown novel. Rightwing/Leftwing are just media terms.









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reply posted on 27-2-2010 @ 10:33 PM by pumpkinorange
Originally posted by Sestias
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“A similar effort will be required today of conservative political and intellectual leaders,” former Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson wrote in his column in The Washington Post. “It will not be easy. Sometimes it takes courage to stand before a large crowd and proclaim that two plus two equals four.”


So they/you are using a quote from a former Bush speechwriter about the desired "future" of the GOP? What's next, a quote from a McCain operative?

I disagree with you/them that the GOP is moving center to the RINOS.

(1) The GOP solidarity against the health care package is the BEST empiracle evidence that the party is NOT moving in this direction, even in the absence of leadership.

(2) Re your view of the folly of moving right, the largest victory the GOP ever scored was the Reagan presidency, which was founded on a conservative coalition, not a center coalition.

(3) Lastly, as recent polls have shown, Americans are increasingly IDing themselves as Conservative.


reply posted on 27-2-2010 @ 11:15 PM by Sestias
reply to post by pumpkinorange



Yes, the "Reagan Revolution" was a conservative movement. Conservative. Not neocon. Not birther-secessionist-no government at all-anti-gay-anti-tenth-amendment-minuteman-militia-John Bircher-etc. right wing fringe.

Reagan Republicanism is a coherent philosophy which thinkers can embrace. I don't personally subscribe to all of it but it's usually possible to have a real discussion with a Reagan Republican.

I think the GOP would do well to find another Bill Buckley to provide the intellectual underpinnings and lead a new conservative movement. Not Rush Limbaugh or Sarah Palin.
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