Socialism is destroying Greece, Spain, Italy, Venezuela and America, to name a few, page 7
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reply posted on 21-5-2012 @ 03:03 PM by dkturner
reply to post by TheWalkingFox



Hi, I'm TheWalkingFox, and I've clearly never taken my privileged ass out of America!

Seriously, though, you are incredibly lucky to live in a country that values personal freedom and liberty. The price of freedom, however, is that you have to be a responsible adult and look after yourself. Most Americans do that, and as a result they live in luxury unimaginable to 6 of the world's 7 billion people.

The fundamental moral problem with socialism is that it diminishes personal freedom and responsibility. Take Greece as an example: the problem is not that smartypants bankers made bad bets and lost Greece's poke. The problem is that smartypants bankers made bad bets, lost the rich folks' pokes, and now everyone's worried about having enough cash to pay the bills - and here's Greece which owes 2x its national income and shows no sign of getting off its butt and putting in a hard day's work! In fact, they're on strike to stop the government from paying them less for doing nothing!

To blame the Greek crisis on capitalism is ironic to the point of being nauseating.

And in case you were wondering, I'm against government bail-outs for the banks. Managed bankruptcy would have been better: in true capitalist fashion, it would have made unemployable those who shouldn't be in charge of hotdog stands.


reply posted on 21-5-2012 @ 03:58 PM by jannerfish
We need information but it either doesn't exist or we're not allowed to see it. Without knowing the size and average time of derivative packages we cannot know what pressure GDP growth is expected to meet. Principle is leveraged with fractional reserves. Earned interest is also leveraged. The various derivative options then leverage as far as willing buyers allow. As the buyers are the largest firms, this turns out to be a lot of networked liability.

We can already control rates and deposit reserve requirements. We need at least two further controls.

One to stop earned interest. Banking costs are deducted but any surplus evaporates. Gone from the system. Rates still exist but no one earns it. Money is reduced to an administrative function and not a cash machine for the man. The other control is needed to regulate the network that is the derivative market. Information on the size and average lifetime is required. A size per transaction, or number of transaction per product, could create cells within the network. No cell could grow to large as it begins to branches or divide as it approaches its resale (or nodal) limit.

I think interest, fractional reserves and derivatives markets are required as much as the banksters by the way, as if you can't tell. But for different reasons I suspect. Not having these devices is a waste. A properly regulated derivative market is a carrot in front of the economy and should remain but be used to guide not rob. Leverage is another method of responding to economic indicators. If we can create robust systems in other fields it must be possible, in theory, to do the same in economics.
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