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Originally posted by Someone336
reply to post by gdeed
Wow, you completely missed the point of my post, and I imagine you didn't read my link.
How does the Indian Coffee House, Kantega, the Mondragón Cooperative Corporation, Suma Wholefoods, the Kibbutz of yesteryear, AK Press, John Lewis Partnership, C4 Tech & Design, etc, mesh with you idea that only capitalism generates incentives?
And no dodging the question this time please.
[edit on 3-5-2010 by Someone336]
Originally posted by MrXYZ
What a stupid thread...sorry OP
Those countries collapsed (or came close) because they invested in crappy investments. When the bubble burst, they lost everything. Doesn't have anything to do with socialism.
Why doesn't it have anything to do with socialism? Because the crisis hit socialist as well as non-socialist countries equally as hard.
I love how people just parrot whatever Glenn Beck hands them as key words. "Socialism", "Progressives", "Communism", "blablabla"...and all to keep it as simple as possible so even the dumbest viewer can join in the giant cycle-jerk of lies. After all, remembering 1 word and putting all the blame on it is easier than coming up with the real, more complex truth
Originally posted by MrXYZ
So are you saying the mortgage crisis and the financial collapse of Wall Street isn't responsible for the collapse of those countries who failed? You think a free market economy would have prevented the collapse?
If the answer is yes, I assume you never had a proper course in economics, finance and investment
But sure, continue to blame "socialism" and ignore the huge elephant in the room
Originally posted by rogerstigers
Originally posted by concernedcitizan
We can only look at history and conclude that societies that have called themselves socialist have all failed, and societies calling themselves capitalist have escaped mass poverty and generated wealth. White armchair academics are lucky, because they have the exclusive right of denying this, while enjoying freedoms and wealth billions of people in this world would be ready to kill for. Maybe one day, when someone points a gun to their head and takes their money away, they'll understand what makes the world go 'round.
It's apples and oranges to a degree. Socialist style governments only work when a strong Capitalist style economy exists to feed it. Socialism is not a kind of economy, it is a form of government, or more accurately, a style of government policy making. We can have socialist programs (nowadays called progressive or populist) in a representative democracy (aka a Republic).
One important thing to remember when discussion these fine points of government is that we have the same kind of government that the USSR had.. a Republic. United Soviet Socialists Republic. From what I can tell, there are three aspects of a country:
1) Government Form (Republic, Monarchy, Dictator, etc.)
2) Government Style (Communist, Facism, Plutarchy, Oligarchy)
3) Economic (Socialist, Free Trade, Capitalist)
I'm sure that list needs refinement, but I think that covers the general idea.
Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by gdeed
If you think this whole crisis only happened because of actions as of 2006, you are delusional.
But tell me good Sir, in what way did socialism create this financial crisis? I'm curious...
Originally posted by MrXYZ
So yeah, if you wanna talk about the reasons why this crisis happened, by all means. But please keep an open mind and don't let your political viewpoint cloud your judgment...because judging from your posts, you just repeat whatever FOX "News" tells you (or Palin) instead of analyzing or thinking for yourself.
Originally posted by MrXYZ
If you can't accept the opinion of a renowned economist and former investment banker...please feel free to enlighten us how exactly "socialism" made governments and companies lose all that money. No "it was all the left wing nuts" bull#...REAL reasons, REAL analysis, not your partisan bull#.
Topic name:
Socialism is destroying Greece, Spain, Italy, Venezuela and America, to name a few
User: gdeed
Location: America
Originally posted by potential_problem
That's all.
Can someone delete that ridiculous thread now?
stars for you, MrXYZ.
Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by Thirty_Foot_Smurf
Oh, another one who claims socialism is the cause of the crisis without showing any proof...how does it feel to be a puppet who shouts political buzz words instead of thinking for yourself?
Originally posted by gdeed
Originally posted by MrXYZ
Those countries are having problems because they are leftwing and socialists.
and we are swimming in Quadrillion dollar debt because we are rightwing and capitalist?
My car won't take me places because it is broken