I'm pissed!! (political trolls and hacks), page 20

What you are saying is that you want it your way.

No, that is not what I’m saying. We all can’t have a financial stake in this site as it isn’t a publicly traded company and the finances are covered. However, things should be fair and equitable for everyone when it comes to the user experience—it isn’t—and this what myself and others are referring to.

Anything else and you won't be happy.

See above. Also, ATS was here before I came here, and will probably be here after I leave. I don’t want the site to cater to me, if I did, I’d have EMPIRE.COM or something like that.

You attack the volunteer staff because they don't do things how you perceive they should.

I’m not attacking the volunteer staff because they don’t do things how I perceive they should. What I’m openly doing is questioning the motivations of the owner, questioning staff, pointing out the problem and providing solutions to the problem and sharing my experience. However, in doing so, it seems as if you and others perceive my actions as hostile when it’s simply “to the point” constructive criticism. It would be one thing to say, “All ATS mods suck”, but it is another to say, “Several ATS mods are hypocrites, this is why they are hypocrites, this is what hypocrisy causes, but this is how to fix it.”

You attack the board owners because they don't do things how you percieve they should.

See above it’s not an attack.

And by god you want to make damn sure we know you are unhappy about it.

You still don’t get it. It has nothing to do with me and everything to do with people not stepping up to the plate. I’m talking mods, admins, and members who are unwilling to practice some form of self-restraint. That’s all I’ve ever asked for, what other members are continuing to ask for, yet we’re being preached to and pounded for speaking out. We didn’t tell S.O. to make this thread, but I will give credit where credit is due because on many boards, the owners don’t participate and the ban hammer is heavy. In addition, not once have I said there is Nazi Modding going on However, S.O. did make the thread and in doing so opened a can of worms and himself (and ATS) to criticism. Again, what S.O. is referring to as a problem extends beyond the political spectrum and, in order to rectify the problems, corrections must be made at the top. Moreover, it is hard to expect over 180K people, all of various cultures, walks of life, etc to follow or behave as intended, which is why I say people need to lead by example and the example starts at the top. You guys are what 60 – 100 people at the top? You don’t even make 1% of the websites population, yet you guys can’t even get your own act together, so why focus on the little guy?

OK. We get that you aren't happy.

It has nothing to do with my happiness. I’m speaking out because people are afraid to speak out or don’t know how to speak out without getting themselves booted.
S.O. pointed out what he perceived as a problem and I’m taking things a step further and showing you guys exactly what the problem is—your house isn’t clean.

Problem is that ATS has over 185,000 members, and we have to keep them happy too. Its something of a delicate balancing act.

I understand it’s a balancing act, but you seem to think I want people to cater to me but that is not the case. People are agreeing with me. More and more people are now talking about the subject. People have called S.O. out. I’m simply calling it down the middle and not sugar coating it.

And by the way - it sure sounds like ATS is not your favourite place to be.

Why do you keep going there? I spent the last 8 plus years of my life in school, and making moves so I could have free time and a job that allows me to spend a lot of time at home. I did that and now I’m here. If I didn’t like this place I wouldn’t have logged back in, increased my post count, etc. I like this site, which is why I’m telling you guys that if you don’t look at the top first it’s going to haunt you later on down the line.

It takes over 60 staff to run the board. Not one person. Every decision on a post is seen by all staff. Every complaint is seen by all staff.

Now bearing that in mind consider this - ATS is many things to many people.

It is not, should never, and will never be one thing to one persons viewpoint only, and that applies to ALL the points you have raised in this thread, in your complaint thread and in my u2u interactions with you. If you choose not to believe that, there is nothing I can do about it.

Again, ATS shouldn’t be based on one persons viewpoint as we’re all different, from many walks of life, etc. However, where do we draw the line or where do you guys draw the line? I know where I draw the line, and I know when to practice self control, but where do the people at the top draw the line?

We do the best we can as people who volunteer our time.

That’s great, I commend you for that, and like I’ve said, you’re one of the more graceful here. I understand you have to defend your cohorts or not give the appearance that you guys are at odds—I understand how these things work. However, what I’m doing is volunteering my time as a member and pointing out something that you guys have obviously overlooked.

And if saying that makes me a "sanctimonious hypocrite" then here I stand as one for all the world to see.

See above.

[edit on 26-2-2010 by EMPIRE]