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Originally posted by moocowman
reply to post by Ferginator
What do you mean without IT their prophesies won't come true What is IT? you mean christianity? Listen prophecies are nothing to fear if you are referring to revaltions or something like that.
Christianity needs war,misery,death and violence for without them they cannot say - look here or look there these are the signs that jesus is coming.
If everyone on the planet agreed that from tomorrow morning we'd all get along, there would be no need of the jesus would there ?
People living in peace negate the "signs of the times" required for the return of jesus to kill all the bad guys.
Jesus said it himself
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."
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For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law
The last thing christians want is peace on earth.
Originally posted by Welfhard
reply to post by novacs4me
Also I never said you had less than half the sense of a petunia.
So your axiom is "Religion only offers dark contributions to society"? Just asking you to clarify for me...
I think the dark contributions that religion offers to society is an axiom
- maybe you don't agree with that about your religion (I'd show you some interesting statistics)
but you must agree with that, I presume about Catholicism, Mormonism and Islam at least. After all, Islam and Mormonism plagiarised the bible for a religious text.
So your axiom is "Religion only offers dark contributions to society"? Just asking you to clarify for me...
Do you think statistics would make me recoil from Jesus?
Are we getting into comparative religions in THIS thread?
That is not true, as a christian, i don't want war I want peace, so does my church we never speak of violence and we get along with all people and every church i have been to they speak of love.
You seem to take quotes and misinterpret them
You are only using quick quotes from the bible but the sword you are saying doesn't not mean war if you read on you will understand.
Here are quotes of what jesus tells use we need to do to have love.
Originally posted by Welfhard
reply to post by Ferginator
[edit on 4-3-2010 by Welfhard]
Originally posted by moocowman
reply to post by Ferginator
Unfortunately it is true "The divine dichotomy" , your bibles say there ere are conditions to be met when your god reapers, usual stuff war, rumors of war death and destruction that sort of thing.
bible.cc...
i read what it says and you didn't read the whole verse. It talks about the end but it says the end is not yet to come. Even in Revelations god will not let people know when the end is near. Thats why people are making false claims like Haiti's earthquake is a sign of the end. its not they interpret to what they believe, which isn't true. You think that we need war but us Christians don't at all its one of our commandments, the 6th one i believe, if someone does that then they are not being true Christians. Also destruction is always mentioned with or without religion, my girlfriend is a Wicca and her religion mentions destruction even more violently then ours.
If you and your friend went out tomorrow and somehow got everyone to shake hands and get along you will be defying the will of your god.
Don't you get it ? Don't you read what you read ?
There simply cannot be peace while there are Christians on the planet (according to Christianity) peace comes after you lot get raptured and us lot get condemned to more acreage.
talking about revelations our we? you know how hard it is to understand that it also mentions mostly symbolic stuff way beyond what people can just simply think. And god says there will not be peace but we can try for peace for humans he says make mistakes. You also read wrong it says in the bible peace comes when worlds unite under jesus's return and that is then gone when the rapture comes. When the "followers of god", which could mean more then Christians like Muslims which means one who submits (to God), go to heaven then disaster on a high scale. So if there where any conspiracy that this false belief that we are going to take over the world then it would be by making peace, not war.
No I don't you do, prove me wrong
You are only using partial information to support your bias view against Christianity
I never use quick quotes, that's impossible the bibles are a mind numbingly slow read.
I understand perfectly well what was being said thank you, metaphor or otherwise a sword in the first century had one specific purpose.
You didn't understand what he was really trying to say "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."
The sword is a metaphor for ideological conflict and that Jesus is not advocating violence. Look at verse 13, Jesus then goes on to inform his disciples that they will not always be warmly received. He instructs them to depart from homes and cities that will not receive them. He didn't say raise an army and smash them into dust.
Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Its a metaphor for god testing who really believes and who is lying, not to really divided families
wow thnx for totally insulting my religion with your biased view. If you read the book you would understand the reason why we don't live forever. But because you haven't then that means you can't judge.
Originally posted by Welfhard
reply to post by Ferginator
wow thnx for totally insulting my religion with your biased view. If you read the book you would understand the reason why we don't live forever. But because you haven't then that means you can't judge.
Why do all believers seem to assume that nonbelievers never have been christians nor read the bible. I was a christian for 19 years thank you very much, and I read the book more than was probably healthy.
And I don't see how that image was insulting to your religion. It was an analysis of every believers favourite passage (well not every one but one universally revered anyway). If I had shown something mocking your deity that would be insulting. Something like the following but I'm not here to insult, I'm here to criticise.
What made you break away from the Christian religion?
Mix of factors. Innate doubt, evolution and a love of science, the convoluted message (knowing I didn't have the proper understanding of the bible but also not knowing how to get it - all churches have a different take and they can't all be right), repressed bisexuality and the associated guilt, the apathy that religion produces in it's followers and questions that couldn't be or wouldn't be answered.
Mind you it was a transition from theist to atheism that took a number of years. It came down to me asking myself one day "Why do I believe what I believe?" I couldn't justify my belief at that state.