The TRUE Evil: The Christian Agenda

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posted on Mar, 2 2010 @ 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by moocowman
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The catholic church does just about everything the Bible tells us not to do.

This may well be correct but at the end of the day the bibles (all ten copies if I recall correctly) were compiled and edited as dogma by Rome.


Exactly and how ironic, wasn't it the same case for the Pharisees, Sadducees, and Scribes? Leaves them without any excuse. Use your enemies to spread your word? Very tactful.




posted on Mar, 2 2010 @ 10:33 AM
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Again according to your interpretation but we are going by biblical interpretation regardless of what the word is.

Fine. I'll humour you. What, in your opinion, does faith mean in the bible?


So it is the weapon specialists who..

I don't think you get my point. When we invented the coal power plant, we didn't know or intend for it to contribute to the green house effect, climate science is very young though advancing rapidly. The climate emergency is an accident of ignorance, frustratingly enough it's the religious right which seems most intent on denying climate change- religious people of this nature do not listen to scientists or even value science. As for things like drinking and driving, things of that nature - idiots do that.


Again where does it say to burn witches? So the Christians took love your enemy, do good to those who mistreat you, put others above yourself and decided that meant to burn witches?

I just said where it said to kill witches, which burning and hanging was the result of such a passage.


I suppose you interpret the bible as stating those days were 24 hours? or 1000 years also?

Of course. I have no reason to interpret it otherwise. At least interpreting it as is reads makes a reasonably coherent message, as demonstrably false as it is. This creation still takes place on a disk world, with a firmament, floating on an abyss of water after all.


By the way there is more than one definition of faith

-Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.


Belief in the truth on the premise that it happens to be the truth in the first place. Because of this, people have the same faith you do in thousand of equally bad ideas. Having faith is therefore no marker of truth.


We just don't think that this confidence is based on NOTHING EVIDENT


Having been christian for 19 years of my life, and read the bible plenty I have every reason to think you do base your confidence on nothing, but I also know that you could never admit that as it would be tantamount to admitting you're wrong. If the Christian god exists, he's done well at avoiding giving me reason to believe having never shown me anything in my life, nor any one around me's life which is beyond a natural explanation. Without evidence to feed conviction in beliefs, the leap of faith that you make everyday to believe that nonsense begins immediately to suffer from diminishing returns. In the end, I had no choice but to admit that no part of me had any confidence in the book or the teachings at all. Subsequent readings of the bible, science and history text books have only seen to reinforce disbelief as amazingly the whole world appeared to behave as if it were running on nature and nature alone.

Were Christianity even remotely real, the world would be a very different place.

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posted on Mar, 2 2010 @ 10:45 AM
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Hey thanks for opening up. You said a lot of meaningful stuff and we want to reply. However, there is a little six month old bundle of joy that needs full attention at the moment.



posted on Mar, 2 2010 @ 10:49 AM
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Oh, you're more than one individual? Hmm I guess that makes your other posts make more sense.



posted on Mar, 2 2010 @ 10:57 AM
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Pi'stis in the New Testament context is a physical action, based upon a mental belief and sustained with confidence.


Nice informative post


So this would explain why millions of chrsitians haven't been able to get the prayer thing to work -


Matthew 21:21: I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer[/e]

Their pastors have forgot to tell them what faith actually means, this would explain a hell of a lot dude, perhaps we'll see a lot less misery and death now that xtians reading this willl know how to pray properly?



posted on Mar, 2 2010 @ 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by The Riley Family

Originally posted by moocowman
reply to post by mamabeth
 




The catholic church does just about everything the Bible tells us not to do.

This may well be correct but at the end of the day the bibles (all ten copies if I recall correctly) were compiled and edited as dogma by Rome.


Exactly and how ironic, wasn't it the same case for the Pharisees, Sadducees, and Scribes? Leaves them without any excuse. Use your enemies to spread your word? Very tactful.


What the hell are you blathering about ? Pleas explain I must have my dumbassed head on today.



posted on Mar, 2 2010 @ 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by moocowman

Originally posted by The Riley Family

Originally posted by moocowman
reply to post by mamabeth
 




The catholic church does just about everything the Bible tells us not to do.

This may well be correct but at the end of the day the bibles (all ten copies if I recall correctly) were compiled and edited as dogma by Rome.


Exactly and how ironic, wasn't it the same case for the Pharisees, Sadducees, and Scribes? Leaves them without any excuse. Use your enemies to spread your word? Very tactful.


What the hell are you blathering about ? Pleas explain I must have my dumbassed head on today.


Yes, please explain for me as well.



posted on Mar, 2 2010 @ 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by Welfhard
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Oh, you're more than one individual? Hmm I guess that makes your other posts make more sense.


I guess that makes them Legion!!!

Get back in the name of the lord I say !



posted on Mar, 2 2010 @ 11:08 AM
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We aren't that complicated of a family. We'll give it some time to sink in it should make simple sense.



posted on Mar, 2 2010 @ 11:10 AM
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Please don't be afraid it is just the two little kids, Ma, and Pa.



posted on Mar, 2 2010 @ 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by oliveoil

Originally posted by moocowman

Originally posted by The Riley Family

Originally posted by moocowman
reply to post by mamabeth
 




The catholic church does just about everything the Bible tells us not to do.

This may well be correct but at the end of the day the bibles (all ten copies if I recall correctly) were compiled and edited as dogma by Rome.


Exactly and how ironic, wasn't it the same case for the Pharisees, Sadducees, and Scribes? Leaves them without any excuse. Use your enemies to spread your word? Very tactful.


What the hell are you blathering about ? Pleas explain I must have my dumbassed head on today.


Yes, please explain for me as well.


We don't believe in jesus, we don't bow down to him, we don't worship him, we have no faith in him because the evidence is in contrary of him being God, Messiah, Christ or anything worthy of worship. Even the Pope or one of his attendants has to carry him around. He can't walk, can't talk, can't hear, can't do anything on his own let alone help anyone that turns to him. For some reason people find peace in a depiction of a tortured deceased man on a stick. That is why it is stated there is a way that seems right to a man but in the end it leads to death. However those that deceive transcribe the truth and give it to others to follow after though they themselves don't follow after it or teach others to either. In fact the deception is so great even the Atheists have faith in their doctrines.

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posted on Mar, 2 2010 @ 11:30 AM
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I can't understand why folks are always down on christians? We have suffered as much if not more than many other denominational sectors! They fed us to the lions in rome and greece, killed us during the spanish inquisition, and even today we gotta watch what we say around jews and muslims or face hate crime charges!

Ernst Zundel just got outta prison after 7 years over in germany I think it was cause he questioned the holocaust! A teacher got fired up in new hampshire last year cause she was a christian who wore a cross around her neck, and yet in the same state, a muslim lady sued and won cause they tried to make her remove her head rag during her photo shoot for her driver's license picture!

When jerusalem was sacked in 70 ad, there were more than 6000 scrolls in the library there. All but a few over 600 were burned by roman soldiers. People will continue to scrutinize christianity because they fear what they do not understand or want to abide by. God, while being of free-will, does have strict laws and statutes, and what a better way to sidestep them then to say the bible, and the ones who penned down what God told them to is all a hoax!

What a lotta folks don't understand is that the bible is not open to "private" interpretation, for the ones who were given those scriptures were under the direct influence of God himself! This is plainly stated in 1st Timothy. People can make fun of me all they like, and I'll still stand by God, for I have never seen any man promise me "eternal" life for my obedience!

All I can say to those who are non-believeres? Try God, and if you don't like him, your buddy satan will always take you back!



posted on Mar, 2 2010 @ 11:31 AM
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Regardless of who the OP believes god is or what god he believes in or we all believe in or perhaps no god at all. The song remains the same.

= bad
= good

I am going to tell you why you are stupid!

Who ever believes and follows the pope, well they must have screws loose and cannot think for themselves because if they did they would see the writing on the wall and the evil within.

So these people/followers are idiots for their sheepdom. But please forgive them for they know not what they do.

Now before assumptions are made, "let me be clear". I am not Catholic. But I do respect the people who are, in a general sense.

Evil men do evil things. Regardless of social status, religious/spiritual belief or political views. Good men do good deeds regardless of the same. Not every christian feeds the hungry or takes advantage of the weak.



posted on Mar, 2 2010 @ 11:38 AM
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i'm very late in posting my view,

The TRUE Evil: The Christian Agenda


the Christian Agenda is to ''go into the world and preach the Gospel''

now whatever course of action any predominant leadership in the Christian community of churches took...
was not Christian doctrine, but was a decision by men in leadership.

the perfect church does not exist, only falable, errent people exist who use a church status or authority for a best~intended outcome, that is usually rife with pitfalls, even to leading the followers astray.

Christianity, & the various churches and church leaders, are more necessary as a type of moral=social strainer device...which allows the purer element to pass but the impurities get caught in the seive to be tossed away in the garbage heap. i do not think the churches were
devised as gateways or portals to truth and bliss, now or after death.

The Christian Agenda, is like a piece of cheesecloth, which is neither good or Evil




posted on Mar, 2 2010 @ 11:51 AM
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Did you not enjoy the posts by Bombeni? I appreciated Bombeni's sense of humor, as I did yours. Are you glad Bombeni has been banned? Would you prefer that all us Christians be banned? I so enjoyed our conversation about pets and the rapture, because we used humor as we expressed our opinions. How does my post here have anything to do with this thread? Simple! People with a strong anti-Christian bias get rewarded. Once again, a Christian gets the axe at good ole ATS. Go ahead, mod! Make my day!



posted on Mar, 2 2010 @ 12:03 PM
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Call me eccentric but I like to interpret those posts as coming from the perspective of one fractured individual. It's more interesting that way! =P



posted on Mar, 2 2010 @ 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by Welfhard
reply to post by The Riley Family
 


Fine. I'll humour you. What, in your opinion, does faith mean in the bible?


Faith is believing in what you know to be true and know because of evidence. If you don't know because of lack of evidence there is no judgement because there is no proof to base it on. Example if you don't beleive in the end time scenario because there is no proof so be it. But if the end time scenario takes place and everything that is depicted happens then you have something to base your faith on. Let's say the Lord came 2,000 plus years ago and he did fulfill everyting that was spoken about, he even told them basically if you don't believe what I am saying at least believe in the things you see I am doing. In other words would his speach mean something to you if he healed your daughter of some horrible disease, or any and all of the miracles that are written about. If these things actually happened wouldn't that at least be something to base your faith on. Why did he do anything? He could have said nothing, did nothing and expected everyone to have faith. If it was to be based on nothingness.


I don't think you get my point. When we invented the coal power plant, we didn't know or intend for it to contribute to the green house effect, climate science is very young though advancing rapidly. The climate emergency is an accident of ignorance, frustratingly enough it's the religious right which seems most intent on denying climate change- religious people of this nature do not listen to scientists or even value science. As for things like drinking and driving, things of that nature - idiots do that.

We think we did get your point we just don't believe people are that ignorant of cause and effect. Usually the effect is ignored and not studied first. A drunk driver is no different. Oh for every actiona there is a what?

Besides many were sending out a warning it just wasn't heeded as is the usual. All you hear then is a "we didn't know". Yes you did.



I just said where it said to kill witches, which burning and hanging was the result of such a passage.

But you ignore be good to your enemies, love your neighbor as yourself, etc... Obviously they ignored these passages to serve their own purposes. Pretty gross if you have scripture you can turn to to spare life but you justify it with something spoken to someone else. Pretty rotten.


Of course. I have no reason to interpret it otherwise. At least interpreting it as is reads makes a reasonably coherent message, as demonstrably false as it is. This creation still takes place on a disk world, with a firmament, floating on an abyss of water after all.


Sure you do, how about the facts. Nothing bases it on 24 hours biblicaly. The earth spins the way it does according to the entities around it like the moon, the planets, the sun. they didn't exist. You even know that it was not 24 hours even science backs this up. Why stick to your Christian interpretation? Don't you have your own mind? Christians, Muslams and Jews don't even agree on the interpretations even amongst there own.


Belief in the truth on the premise that it happens to be the truth in the first place. Because of this, people have the same faith you do in thousand of equally bad ideas. Having faith is therefore no marker of truth.


Exactly, the truth is the marker.

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posted on Mar, 2 2010 @ 12:29 PM
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We don't believe in jesus, we don't bow down to him, we don't worship him, we have no faith in him because the evidence is in contrary of him being God, Messiah, Christ or anything worthy of worship.
Its not about you finding physical evidence. Its about believing that the message he brings is truth. This message cannot be disputed.

Luke 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.



posted on Mar, 2 2010 @ 01:17 PM
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Are you glad Bombeni has been banned? Would you prefer that all us Christians be banned?


Christ mate ! Bombeni got Banned ???? What the hell for Surely nothing he wrote on this thread? he's a bit bonkers but doesn't deliberately go out of his way to offend.

I like Bombeni he's bloody harmless enough when I debate him annoying admittedly but harmless nevertheless he could only fire words after all.

I just went back through the posts and the last we spoke he was off to bed, he had a little rant prior to that but nothing insulting.

Christ mate , he must have said somewhere elsewhere because if he got banned for this thread, well it's a bit like burning the Koran.

Let's hope it's a temporary ban,

Mods please resurrect Bombeni for without the loony religious atheism will become a redundant concept and I will seance to exist, which will not do as I made a load of my finest meatballs and it would be a shame to waste them.



posted on Mar, 2 2010 @ 01:27 PM
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This is rediculous you people really think christians are out to destroy the world. Really you people make me sick. I am a christian and i never plan on hurting anyone or taking over the world. All the evidence you people are presenting are from cults, these groups twist the truth of our religion to do these evil things and you say were the cause of it. You need to watch the movie "TRAITOR" it shows how a cult made to create people into suicide bombers and use the muslim faith to destroy them. These cult use our religion if you ever read the bible you would know we are not out to get you people. Your just so paranoid seriously stop attacking people of their religion. The KKK, taliban, Hitler etc all cults and such to manipulate the truth. Hitler, if you did your research, know that he wasn't really a christian but part of the occult. Stop saying we are here to kill people those mass suicides and bombing are people that use are religion to manipulate people who don't know better to do their evil deeds. Probably the people sent out to then blame the religion.

Plz people grow up we are not here to hurt anyone. And anyone believes we are here to scare and put fear in people is a fool and is ignorant of the truth. Good ahead with your lies says christians are evil but remember this "you are wrong". Its just your opinion the fact is we are not and all this is about is just to blame our religion for all your problems because of a few ignorant people in cults. You know nothing if you are going to blame people's religion for your problems. This only shows that the media has gotten to you, they have fooled you to believe that we like war. We don't me and my christian friends are great friends with a bunch of people who are muslim. We are nice to everyone and love all and if you are still thinking we are evil then go ahead yell at the sky but you will learn if you can't love but only hate then you are no different then the people make cults and blame religion for your problems. I really wish you people would leave use be instead of constanly attacking use for your problems and saying we did it. Its like you beating up someone and then blaming the nearest christian for not stopping you.

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