Sanders: Senate has the votes to pass public option via reconciliation, page 1
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reply posted on 25-2-2010 @ 07:05 PM by Becker44
reply to post by Leo Strauss





the votes are there to pass the public option that according to some polls 80% of the American public support!


I've been searching for a poll to back up your claim. Perhaps you could help me along and source this 80% you speak of.

I'm hoping it will clearly reference the public option. I have my doubts but I'm sure you'll dispel them momentarily.

Thanks in advance,

Becker

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reply posted on 25-2-2010 @ 07:07 PM by Misoir
reply to post by David9176



I will be researching the web for as many polls on the public option as possible. As for 'why 2,000 pages', ask yourself when the government has never had that many pages for something. It is just a shining gem in a cluddered room.


reply posted on 25-2-2010 @ 07:16 PM by David9176
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Absolutely, we need more government social programs to further bankrupt the country.


We also need more Unconstitutional wars and corporate welfare that is further bankrupting this country.



reply posted on 25-2-2010 @ 07:44 PM by SaturnFX
reply to post by Misoir



To play devils advocate for just a moment (I am a supporter of the PO btw), but..

its not really about what the people want all the time. I imagine the people would also be vastly in support of ferrari's for everyone...People were in favor of keeping black people slaves, then segregated, etc...sometimes the politics have to overrule the peoples desires to keep to the basic philosophy of America and the fundamental rights of the people.

In saying that, I see no issue with the public option philosophically speaking...but then again, I am a evil progressive. heh


reply posted on 25-2-2010 @ 07:51 PM by Misoir
reply to post by SaturnFX



I am a Social Democrat(Social Democracy) and I see this as the only way to fix our health care problems, anything else is either a band-aid or just more money to corporate care.


reply posted on 25-2-2010 @ 07:59 PM by David9176
reply to post by Misoir





This proves that Americans overwhelmingly support the Public Option. So it basically states that around 66% of Americans support a public option.


Most people I know don't even know what a public option is...however I believe many people would want it they know exactly what it was.

Also, even should this pass...the Supreme Court may possibly strike it down as unconstitutional. They just gave corporations complete control of our elections on Constitutional grounds...so it wouldn't surprise me. The Supreme court has a conservative majority.

How do I feel about the public option?

I'm torn on the issue. There are so many variables that go along with it....i just don't know.


reply posted on 25-2-2010 @ 08:02 PM by Misoir
reply to post by David9176



How do you feal about the USA being the only developed country without universal health care, even Pakistan and India have it!



reply posted on 25-2-2010 @ 10:19 PM by Leo Strauss
reply to post by Misoir



Thanks for the links I was out for awhile! I like Nate Silvers site!

I am single payer all the way and can't begin to understand peoples fear. We are talking about insurance not healthcare delivery. The cost savings would be enormous. There is a downside...those poor insurance executives would lose their annual 100 million dollar bonuses and that is tragic!

The dems are dead and maybe that was Obama's mission to drive a stake in the heart of the progressive movement (where is Bush's "Mission Accomplished" banner?). However I see 3rd party politics becoming the last viable political option.


reply posted on 26-2-2010 @ 11:21 AM by Misoir
reply to post by Leo Strauss



I never trusted Obama, he is just a Neoliberal or Centrist at best. He lied to everyone by telling them he is a Progressive, he is not a progressive he is a lying war hungry monster! Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich, Howard Dean and Patrick Leahy are the only trustworthy Congressman.

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reply posted on 26-2-2010 @ 05:48 PM by Sestias
reply to post by Leo Strauss



I'm afraid you're right. I keep trying to give Pres. Obama the benefit of the doubt but he's disappointing when it comes to actually delivering on his campaign promises. For some reason he seems to keep hoping against hope that he can deliver a bipartisan health care bill to the American people.

Maybe he wants to be remembered as a president beloved by all the people.

Unfortunately, the more "bipartisan" he gets the more he gives away the store.

As Lincoln (one of BO's heroes) said, "You can please some of the people some of the time (etc.)...."

Mr. President has just got to suck it up, grow a pair, and deliver a public option (even better would be single-payer) to the American people. It's what we want.

Anything less and his legacy will be the biggest wimp to occupy the White House of all time.

BTW: He seemed to be getting pretty tough at the HC Summit yesterday. Hope he means it.



Obama needs to
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