Originally posted by daviddiss
Wow, Amaterasu. That's going to take some time to digest fully. Still, if it's been fifty years in the making for you, a little time exploring
around the topics you present seems a good idea.
Sorry for the delay in replying - I seldom check the thread, expecting people to reply to Me, and so therefore I will be notified. But sometimes
people respond to the thread, and then I miss things for a while. Thank You for Your willingness to read. [smile]
Do you know of / can recommend any books on this topic to get a good overview?
I wish I could, but as far as I know, I am the only one to have pieced things together like this. I might offer my novella, written to illustrate the
abundance paradigm in action, kinda like a blueprint, if you will. It is written as science "fiction" but shows how things flow in society. It's
The Abundance Paradigm
And You might want to check out the companion thread to this one here:
The Ethical Planetarian Party Platform
- the structure
There's clearly two main strands of thought being woven together here - and that's always where I start putting my skeptics hat on, which
(sigh) usually means lots of research needed.
- Possibility of drawing on energy without depleting resources
- How the disruption of the power bases (currently centered around finite energy resources) would lead to a fairer society
Thanks very much for giving a great introduction to the first point - I'll start exploring based on this, and the fascinating posts relating to
active experimentation that have followed. Exciting stuff.
I don't know if I mentioned on this particular thread yet that I know We can extract energy from the plenum. My father was an electrical engineer in
the 1950's having graduated from CalTech. He was working for one of the top aerospace companies contracting with the government. He was working on
electrogravitics and would come home all excited by what He was building and discovering. He tried to teach me how it worked - but as a toddler, I
wasn't prime for reception. However, He also described the world I would be growing up in because of electrogravitics: cars would fly, houses and
cities would float, We'd even have "jet packs" (sans the jets)! And We would have plenty of energy to run everything and then some.
Electrogravitics offered both antigravity and overunity.
One night in late 1959, early 1960, Dad came home from work late and woke Me up to explain that We coundn't talk about it anymore. "They want it
secret for now." That is when the science went into black ops.
On the second point on how this would inevitably lead to a whole load of positive effects - well, people who crave power will find some way to
ensure they have the upper hand.
Yes, and that is why electrogravitics is in black ops. Free energy threatens Their control. If We can wrest the technology from black ops, or
reinvent methods for drawing on it, They can fight all They want. As the cost of energy is removed on down the line, eventually We reach a point at
which everything is free.
Consider the first farmer. The sun is free. The seed is free. The soil is free. The rain is free. But the farmer's energy is needed to put all
these things together as a functional farm, keep it together, and then move the free plant matter gathered at harvest to market. What the customers
are paying for is not the plant matter. It is the farmer's energy.
In fact, money just represents meaningful energy expended, and in a scarcity of energy, it is a very useful tool (especially for maintaining control).
Once energy starts flowing freely, money eventually becomes moot. It's effectively like having infinite money - which has no social application.
The mentality of these people is such that if they lose control over finite resources of energy, they will find ways of limiting access to
other resources, or create a 'need' for resources they can control.
Except... Money will be unneeded, and We have so much (other than energy) on this planet, They would have nothing really to bargain with. And the
roughly 10,000 top elite, though They can keep Their houses and boats and stuff, will have no say over the rest of the nearly 7 billion of Us.
Take a look at Apple - fabulous gadgetry, that a large proportion of people feel they 'need'. They then opt to control resources as much as
possible, thus effectively inventing a power base.
Motivated by money/power/energy (three forms of the same thing) n'est pas? Without that as motive, what would be Their motive?
Do I see them as evil? Well, having worked for them for a little while, they do resemble a cult, and those that do well there, find reasons to
believe everything they are told. And they appear to have a policy of deliberate underresourcing to anyone who stays is willing to overwork to the
nth degree. It was ultimately kind of creepy - a real experience. Still, that was back when I had my Windows Mobile phone (silly, I know, but it
kept me sane - this was before Android came to prominence).
And I see things developing much as Linux developed, with major contributors being "paid" in the appreciation of the users. Corporations will be a
thing of the past, and We will coalesce around problems to solve them, as concerned Individuals, solving them the BEST We can find, and not the
This is creeping into a separate post, so I'm just really making the point that while this is clearly an important area of exploration, it's
one of a larger web of changes that are only now possible due to the amazing opportunity that the interconnectedness of the WWW gives us.
Heh. My thread! I say You can move forward on any line You choose! But You're right, Our tech is Now at the point where We have these options.
Open Source movement is now here to stay. Businesses and increasingly governments are being forced to change their model to a more open
model. The ridiculous notion of building in a shelf-life when goods can be made to last for very little more is being questioned, and open source
physical alternatives to machines (and I'm sure it will move to many other areas of our everyday lives) will start forcing businesses to subscribe to
this model in order to remain profitable.
Well, I applaud any who offers Their work open source. And I think it will be easy in abundance to coax open source in everything. As it stands now,
Microsoft gets credit for Word, NOT the programmers (though One might discover Their names if One looks hard). In abundance the programmers of the
best software will be heroes. They will be lauded. Their work will be selected. They will feel rewarded.
I'm not an expert on these technologies, but while it may seem like doom to some people, I have great hope for our future, because it's
increasingly difficult to hide uncomfortable truths these days.
Me too! A kindred soul!
So thanks again for a great post, and leading me to a whole area of science I had previously not been aware of.