Senate votes to renew Patriot Act, page 2
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reply posted on 25-2-2010 @ 10:27 AM by Loki
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Having more senators than the other party doesn't mean jack about who controls the senate. 59-41, or 60-40, the party of NO has the upper hand.


reply posted on 26-2-2010 @ 06:06 AM by Fatality
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Exactly! Some create it , and the others renew it , portraying exactly how they are the same on this issue. I just wish it would be gone already..


reply posted on 26-2-2010 @ 08:10 PM by converge
Originally posted by Sestias
Maybe there are some people in this country who really are dangerous to the rest of us. I don't know any, but it stands to reason that in a nation as big as ours there are some who want to bring the country down and need to be surveilled.

I never heard critics of the Patriot Act claim that there aren't dangerous people and that law enforcement and intelligence agencies shouldn't have the adequate tools to do their job and keep us safe, but safety shouldn't be our only concern in current times—there are huge implications for privacy and even for the presumption of innocence.

When questioned, defenders of the Patriot Act usually point to September 11 as the reason for the introduction and need of such measures that it implements. An analysis of the events and what information law enforcement and intelligence agencies had on the suspects behind the attacks, quickly show us that, some agency or another, had some piece of relevant information but, we're told, were unable to connect the dots.

How does a failure of inter-agency communication and information sharing translate into, for example, a systematic nationwide voice and electronic surveillance program? The federal agencies failed, and not because they couldn't listen to everyone's calls or read their emails. And yet, now, thanks in large part to the Patriot Act, everyone is under constant surveillance.

We can't have a free society without a balance between privacy and state powers. The Framers recognized this and made certain protections, such as the ones expressed in the 4th Amendment, the supreme law of the land.

Frequently quoted, in many forms, but with good reason and as true today as it was then, Benjamin Franklin told us that “they who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety”—I agree.
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