The Gay Agenda -- You Can't Be Serious?

reply to post by Horza


OK
I have had a look at your link. I still need to read it in it's entirety, but from what I have read so far I can say this...
The article does at first glance seem to contradict my implication that homosexuality is not natural.
However, this quote "The correct usage of the term homosexual is that an animal exhibits homosexual behavior or even same-sex sexual behaviour; however, this article conforms to the usage by modern research[14][15][16][17] [18] applying the term homosexuality to all sexual behavior (copulation, genital stimulation, mating games and sexual display behavior) between animals of the same sex. In most instances, it is presumed that the homosexual behavior is *but part of the animal's overall sexual behavioral repertoire, making the animal "bisexual" rather than "homosexual" as the terms are commonly understood in humans*,[17] but cases of clear homosexual preference and exclusive homosexual pairs are known (see examples for details)." * = my emphasis

Homosexuality in animals exists, but it is part of a repertoire of sexual behavior. In gays, it's all about the sexual behavior.

What about homosexuality in prison?
In prison, it is about dominance and sexual outlet. I'm quite sure the big burly guys in prison who have sodomize weaker inmates don't consider themselves gays.

I'm not against homosexuality as part of someone's sexual repertoire... do whatever you want to each other, just don't feel you need to justify it to me or try and convince me I am wrong in thinking you are a sexual deviant.

Also, don't preach religion to me. Believe what you want to believe, but don't try to ram your beliefs down my throat.

Regards

There is NO effing agenda, no matter the fevered rantings of the fearful and supersticous.


However, if my personal experiance is any example, there IS an unspoken, but commonly acknowledged, Standard by which society should be measured, and to which society is encouraged to aspire.



The hallmarks of that Standard include intelligence, reason, compassion, community, individuality, joy, and an appreciation of beauty in all things.




It is also my experience that only those who, by their own lack of self-worth, feel inadequate to meet this Standard, seek to demonize it by claiming it to be an exclusionary and discriminatory "Agenda".

reply to post by tothetenthpower


This is a very well written post, S&F for you. Even though I'm not gay myself, I do get into the points you have made in your posts whenever I find myself in a "gay agenda" discussion. You hit all the attempts many try to win the argument. The most popular accusation for a hetero such as myself is that we are automatically gay for daring to be supportive of it. I laugh when people have this idea in their heads that all gay men are either these weak girly men that dress in drag or the big hairy burly guy in prison. Yes, some are that way, but most gay guys are just typical guys. It is unfortunate that there are gays out there that make all gays look bad, but all kinds of people of religion, race, etc all have bad apples. People are affected negatively by gays mostly because of upbringing. This doesn't necessarily mean they are religious, though religious intolerance's, bigotry, narrow mindedness have infected humanity for many generations.

reply to post by V1g0r0u5


It also goes onto say:

but cases of clear homosexual preference and exclusive homosexual pairs are known

I am not trying to say that anyone has to like homosexuals or homosexuality but it is time, finally, to realise that everyone, regardless of sexuality, race, colour or creed deserves the same rights.

This thread and the OP are clear examples of homosexuals having their decades long fight to have their voice heard and their rights recognised maliciously misrepresented by those with a religious agenda.

Here is one take on the subject:

www.henrymakow.com...

Masonic author Carl H. Claudy: "The real secrets of Masonry are never told, not even mouth to ear. For the real secret of Masonry is spoken to your heart, and from it to that of your brother [Mason]. Never the language made for tongue may speak it; it is uttered only in the language of the eye, in those manifestations of that love which a man has for his friend, which passeth all other loves, even that of woman." Note those last four words.

And another:

Sexual debauchery

www.henrymakow.com...

www.henrymakow.com...

That might shed some light into why people think there is an agenda. Those articles only cover a portion of it though.


edit: more

Crafting Gay/Bi Children

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If I am against "gay", properly called homosexuality, I must be

"homophobic" because I am "insecure in my masculinity"
"discriminating"
"not understanding"
"a Republican"
"intolerant"
"ignorant"
"stupid"
"uneducated"
"redneck"
"religious"
etc.

Read the thread. If you don't agree with their perverted point of view, you can find yourself with the above descriptions attached to you.

This is a common ploy, usually used by propagandists. Under Nazi rule, Jews were "stupid," "animals," "beasts," "subhuman," etc.

If you are white, and disagree with the negro* movement**, you are
"racist"
"discriminating"
"ignorant"
"uneducated"
"lack sophistication"
etc.

Homophobic was likely a word invented by a person in the gay movement to tag those who were opposing their movement. I suppose it would hold as true as saying that a person who owns an expensive car is insecure, or a person who owns a big pickup truck has a little man in his pants.

Don't let these name calling people frighten you away from your beliefs in what is good, lasting, productive, family-strengthening, society-building, and moral.

Homosexuality is a perversion. Look up the definition of perversion. Thank the gay man next to you for the deaths of millions of gay people due to their resistance to quarantine when HIV and AIDS were discovered. Thank him for trying to destroy the concept of marriage between a man and a woman. Thank him for working with other gays to destroy the Prop 8 contributors. Thank him for all the times Act Up has entered a public meeting and shouted and destroyed the meeting for every person who wanted to publicly speak against homosexuality. Thank him for all the homosexual pornography. Thank him for the attacks homosexuals make on heterosexuals when they come into homosexual parts of town. Thank him for pushing down the lady that was demonstrating for Prop 8.

Please.

*Black, African-American, etc.
** Black History Month, Black awards, Black Chamber of Commerce, Black newspapers and magazines, Black holidays, Black ......

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reply to post by Jim Scott

If I am against "gay", properly called homosexuality, I must be

"homophobic" because I am "insecure in my masculinity"
"discriminating"
"not understanding"
"a Republican"
"intolerant"
"ignorant"
"stupid"
"uneducated"
"redneck"

Ok, let's say that you are against blacks.

What are you?

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LOL! I see that you have edited your post after reading this.

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I'm a straight guy, but I have a lot of gay friends. I wish I was gay though, as when I go to gay clubs with my friends I always seem to get guys coming on to me. I'd get a hell of a lot more action!!

BTW, straight guys, go to gay clubs. There are soooo many straight women there with their defences down and very little competition

To the OP, I have to completely agree with the paedophilia part of your argument, as the majority of paedos are straight, married men, who abuse their own daughters. The rest are catholic priests

reply to post by Deaf Alien

I find that being "against" blacks is being against special racial tags. Blacks are against whites....just try to start a White History Month, United White College, etc. Wait around for ten minutes and Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, etc will be right on top of you.

well put. its amazing how people can judge about something they have absolutely no idea about. and how the hell can people put something like bestiality and homosexuality into the same category?! it just goes to show how ignorant humans are.

There are people today in this world who are officially married to an animal.
There are people in this world since way back when who are officially married to children...even the founder of Islam---Mohammed.

The OP is not apparently aware of this slippery slope, and is presenting the gay movement as not leading to these perversions.

Please.

reply to post by Jim Scott


But do you see how absurd it is?

Originally posted by Jim Scott
There are people today in this world who are officially married to an animal.
There are people in this world since way back when who are officially married to children...even the founder of Islam---Mohammed.

The OP is not apparently aware of this slippery slope, and is presenting the gay movement as not leading to these perversions.

Please.

--- NEWS FLASH!!! ---

The homos want rights and marriage because they secretly want to be married to animals and children!

Wow! That must be the gay agenda!

Originally posted by Jim Scott

Don't let these name calling people frighten you away from your beliefs in what is good, lasting, productive, family-strengthening, society-building, and moral.

That's right Jim ... promoting intolerance builds a fine society ... why lets look at Uganda, hell lets look at the USA ... fine, upstanding examples of good, lasting family strengthening societies.

Originally posted by Jim Scott
Homosexuality is a perversion. Look up the definition of perversion.
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Ok Jim!

Main Entry: per·ver·sion
Pronunciation: \pər-ˈvər-zhən, -shən\
Function: noun
Date: 14th century
1 : the action of perverting : the condition of being perverted
2 : a perverted form; especially : an aberrant sexual practice or interest especially when habitual

Aberrant means deviating from the accepted standard.

I am pretty sure that it is accepted that gay men standard sexual practice is anal penetration.

What wrong with that Jim? Why is this "perverted"?

Oh ... sorry ... you are talking about your standard ... your idea of peverted ...

Well I am sick of this ... your standard is wrong Jim ... someone has to be wrong sometimes ... and Jim, this time it is you.

I discriminate against you Jim and your intolerance. You are part of the problem. You are part of the decline in our society.

All of you who fail to use the gifts of compassion, understanding and tolerance.

All of you who fail to teach these gifts to our children, our future, our hope.

This is your crime. Hang you heads in shame all of you.

Until all of your amoral and antisocial behaviour is eradicated from our society we will never be able to rise up to reach our true potential.

We will simply continue to wallow in our own filth.

reply to post by tothetenthpower


The fact that you feel compelled to come on a site such as ATS and promo a sexual preference proves your agenda argument, I am hetrosexual...I don't discuss it. Don't feel I have to. Homosexuals, on the other hand, talk of little else than their chosen perversion. Thus the gay agenda exists, my friend.

reply to post by romanmel

The fact that you feel compelled to come on a site such as ATS and promo a sexual preference proves your agenda argument, I am hetrosexual...I don't discuss it. Don't feel I have to. Homosexuals, on the other hand, talk of little else than their chosen perversion. Thus the gay agenda exists, my friend.

What are you talking about?

Have you seen some of the threads lately, especially the OP's?

There seems to be a mass of anti gay threads lately. I do not know what brought it up. Perhaps they're feeling nostalgic because it's the black history month?

Originally posted by Deaf Alien
reply to post by romanmel

 

The fact that you feel compelled to come on a site such as ATS and promo a sexual preference proves your agenda argument, I am hetrosexual...I don't discuss it. Don't feel I have to. Homosexuals, on the other hand, talk of little else than their chosen perversion. Thus the gay agenda exists, my friend.

What are you talking about?

Have you seen some of the threads lately, especially the OP's?

There seems to be a mass of anti gay threads lately. I do not know what brought it up. Perhaps they're feeling nostalgic because it's the black history month?

Get over it.
Just live life.
Don;t worry, be happy.

reply to post by romanmel

Get over it.
Just live life.
Don;t worry, be happy.

There are no truer words than this.

If only people would listen

Wow... the Gay Agenda, eh?

Well, judging from the general acceptance of this thread by posters... my Alignment (True Neutral) compels me to take the opposing stance, and thus, retain the essential BALANCE of nature.

Is there a Gay Adgenda?

Yes... there is.


Are "The Gays" trying to take over the world or something? or trying to destabilize society or something?


No... don't be ridiculous... "The Gays" are the SYMPTOM of the "Gay Agenda", not the mainliners.... not the cause... they *ARE* the agenda.


it is a form of population control (amount of people), and population control (directing people)


Let's start at the beginning, shall we?


take a look at Bisphenol A

en.wikipedia.org...

It is an estrogen mimicking chemical that leeches out of type 7 plastic bottles (like baby bottles) that has the effect of feminizing males. (Teh Ghey)

But, yeah... I see your point... it's just a coincidence... nothing more.

So let's move on.


Research indicates that artificial estrogen (birth control pills) does not decompose as quickly as natural estrogen, and contaminates water tables and drinking water supplies (excretion of the hormones into the sewage plants, etc)

And this causes the feminization of males

Link

ag.arizona.edu...

ci.nii.ac.jp...

www.contactpakistan.com...

But, yes... that is ALSO a coincidence... so lets discount that one for now... shall we?



Now, lets take a look at Flouride, shall we?

You know Flouride, right?

They put it in water to make your teeth strong?


Yeah... it turns out that Flouride ALSO has feminizing effects...

"We conclude that fluoride treatment is associated with testicular disorders, which may be due to induction of oxidative stress in reproductive organs along with possible adverse effects of fluoride on pituitary testicular axis.The detailed mechanism of fluoride treatment on the male reproductive system has not been elucidated and will be the subject of future experiments "

www.fluoridealert.org...


Well, that's all fine and dandy for the "Reproduction" debate, Edrick.... but what about the "Population Management" that you spoke of... the directing of people?



Well, I'm glad you asked.


Family is a STRONG bond.

Just ask ANY parent.

Ask ANY mother that has gone through the pains of childbirth, any man who has raised a child to adulthood....


Family is *STRONG*, and it keeps society together.


The Family is the natural result of the overwhelming desire for sex that most all humans have.

The need to release sexually is instinctual, and nessecarily so, otherwise, none of us would be here.


But once a child is born, the natural parental instincts usually kick in, and cement the relationship between the two individuals for long enough to bring the child into adulthood.

This family bonding, and the social bonding derived from family bonding creates a very strong interconnected WEB of mutual support that is the backbone of a free society.


By satisfying sexual desire, while circumventing the reproductive drive, the creation of strong family units is necessarily diminished.


You might say that adoption can take the place of natural childbirth in creating family ties... but we all know that a parent ALWAYS prefers their own biological offspring.

And the attachment is necessarily deeper for ones natural offspring.

This is an instinctual drive, the perpetuation of ones of genetic code, that creates these strong emotional attachments.

These bonds are somewhat diminished in homosexual pair bonding.


With the reduction of the power of the family, you have a reduction in the WILL of society to help each other, as opposed to just themselves.

Thus, the "Elite" have an easier time of taking control of the population, given the lack of a cohesive opposing force (the Societal family structure)


This effect can also be seen in the mysandrist and lesbian undertones in the Feminist Movement.

www.womynkind.org...


"Don't Start a Family, woman! Families are oppression! Get a job instead!"




There.... (wipes hands) I think my job here is done...


-Edrick

If someone is gay, so be it though appreciate the fact that I'm not.
There are few things more annoying than having one of the same sex hit on you when your not into the same sex.....in that way or whatever way 'your' mind leads you. A hug is plenty, thank you.

Just let them down graciously if you can, though if they grab you, smack em into next week. It's a Right to defend your body and 'could' be used.

No one should be persecuted for being who they are though to promote a certain behavior (via teacher, freind, etc.) is.....'out of line'.

I like to see the ladies time to time on the internet though sometimes the don't warn you about the 'chicks with d__ks' they sneak into the pic mix. Some of those 'hybrids' still look pretty hot though from the chest up, personally.

"Live and Let Live" has a nice ring to it though rarely practiced on a 'global' scale. Perhaps fate/faith may find you a surprise.

Prose is often confused with 'personality'.
.....as the subconscious is with the conscious.
It 'applies' where it applies or these words have no meaning.

Meaning.....let's meditate on that 'word' for a while.
Everyone appears to be in such a hurry these days to get.....right back to where they started.....without regard to whom they were born to be.

It's like sticking a 'round' peg (human) into a square hole (planned society). If it's lame, it's lame for a reason.
Humans are too creative, or suppose to be, to be 'fit' into a pre-planned and confined construct.

Freedom is in dire need for 'everyones' benefit.
It is natural for a Reason and should be acknowledged though more importantly practiced. Regardless, I'm not asking; it's a Given, whether of the spirit or the flesh.

Speak the truth as you 'know' it for yourself And your neighbor for you are both depending on it personally and collectively.....to grow in tandem with harmony and a lil red bow on top, not the 'tale' of dragon. The 'dragon' is on it's way in 'real' time and will pass just the same.....though no one knows just where the tail might land.....regardless, prepare and.....carry on.....

I'm married with a young one though still find the other ladies unique and attractive in their own ways. Perfectly naturally and proud of it. I would like to have 5 woman personally though the women these days don't seem to agree. It is a 'different' world.

And the race is never ending.....regardless of who you're with, try not to take anything from the other the other is not free-willed to give.

P.S.
Don't get me wrong folks, I don't go around the day preaching this and teaching that. Personally, I view ATS as a pet project of sorts, kind of like what I am to others here on 'ATS'.

To each is own that will be known.
To write extemporaniously, and then edit, is about the most one could expect 'from' themselves in 'this' kind of forum. It gets to the 'heart' of the matter.....if one is willed to see it.

It you speak straight, all benefit whether they realize it now.....or later.


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