So is Obama a Fascist or a Communist?

Originally posted by ucalien
*Israel puppet (believe or not..)

I can believe it. 30 billion with no strings attached. Kill as many Arabic-speaking Semites as you like.



[edit on 24-2-2010 by Crito]

reply to post by Ozzy Mandias

any evidence for corporate controlled government? citations? to me it seems that both focus on central control, regulation, and the emphasis on society or country over the individual.

On Communist there's no corporations, since all industry is controlled by government, with exception of China where, after "the opening", the industry achieved corporate characteristics, running by the rules of capitalist. However the Chinese government don't seems much interested that the power of consume, I mean the consu become a rule in Chinese society.
The Fascism was just a version of Nazism, without ethnic cleaning. Interesting that the industries of German weren't controlled by the government, but were submitted to its interests and they produced to supply Nazi military, as Mercedes, VW, BMW, Siemens and many others.

Btw, on Socialism-Communism, the "emphasis" isn't the society of the country, but the POCKET of politics and military. I mean, the government bust the private capital to make rich themselves, not the people.

Obama is not a Socialist, nor is he a Communist, nor Fascist, he is an Oligarch. He believes in big business. That is why he supported the bailouts on wall street, that is why he bailed out GM and Chrysler, (Ford didn't need a bailout for some reason, I keep wondering why on a conspiracy board that isn't talked about more.) So through his actions, he is an Oligarch.

Originally posted by ucalien
reply to post by die_another_day

 

I have seen Obama being depicted as Mao. I have seen Obama being depicted as Hitler. So what's going on? I thought Communists and Fascists are eternal enemies. So ATS, you decide. Is Obama a Communist, Fascist, or hybrid?

Obama is a first negro elected to be president of a majority Anglo-Saxon racist nation. Thus, until the last day of his mandate he will be:

*The Anti-Christ
*Communist
*Fascist
*Nazi
*Muslim
*Israel puppet (believe or not the Obama haters say he's Muslim and also Israel puppet)
*Traitor of America

However, I'm 100% sure that Obama is indeed, a scapegoat of Freemasonry, that was allowed to be elected to push an ethnic war in USA. I mean, like a next step to setup the NWO, busting US democracy through a new civil war. Whoever funded Obama campaign, already knew that if he couldn't recover US economics as fast as was expected, a massive opposite propaganda with racist bias, would start and once that it got without control, BAM!!! I wish I'm quite wrong, but this Obama hatred propaganda will lead americans is to predictable.

You got most of the list but I would like to add:

Kenyan
Indonesian
Black Panther
Bi-sexual

I think that rounds out the list, nope missed these:

Commander in Chief
Leader of the free world
head of the excutive branch

oh yeah,and like it or not

Mr. President






[edit on 24-2-2010 by jacksmoke]

And fascism is NOT corporate controlled government. Fascism is the corporate state. You know when someone says "we should run the government like a business"? That's fascism.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men..

Governments in a free society exist only to serve the people's interests. In a fascist society, the corporate state, citizens are treated like employees; they serve the government's interests. That's the difference.

en.wikipedia.org...

The Fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism is totalitarian, and the Fascist State—a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values—interprets, develops, and potentiates the whole life of a people.

reply to post by Crito


You got me there, a fascist state is run LIKE a corporation, not BY a corporation. I had that mixed up

But either way - it's not like communism at all.


[edit on 24-2-2010 by Snarf]

reply to post by die_another_day


I don't think Obama and his co-puppets, Reid and Pelosi, solidly fits into either mold. They are not out for the betterment of the people, that is a definite with their wanton destruction of the U.S. economy. They and their handlers' objective is to place the U.S. population under total control of the U.S. federal government at any cost; and take as much power from the state and local governments and incorporate that power in the federal government. Otherwise known as Totalitarianism.

Originally posted by Snarf
reply to post by Crito

 

You got me there, a fascist state is run LIKE a corporation, not BY a corporation. I had that mixed up

But either way - it's not like communism at all.

[edit on 24-2-2010 by Snarf]

In theory a class-less communist society is a free society. In practice bureaucrats assumed the role of the aristocratic ruling class, which isn't really an improvement over "old money" banksters like the Rockefellers and Rothschilds. That's why many Marxists claim the world has yet to see a "true" communist society (not counting primitive pre-agrarian hunter-gatherer societies, that is.)

He is a Marxist who is pretending to be a Progressive Socialist.

There are many people out there speaking out about his upbringing and education.Do some serious web search.

He also is a very naive but highly intelligent individual.

Yes,I could sit and have a beer with him,Bil Clinton also.

But their public statements and then their actions are not the same.

Obama is feeling the strain of reality.

You can see it in his face.

He's more aptly described as apparel. A Flip-flop.

His direction of speech is mandated by Teleprompters, who try and touch every member of the listening audience, despite contradictions of syntax and time-lines of coordination.

As far as external foreign matters, he's best known for taking teachings from the Qura'an. While, listening to prejudiced bias from his strict Baptist preacher.

His gov't alignment is focused primarily on 'quick fixes', that give you a mouth jumble.

I think Obama is an unstable twisted goofball. He is really losing popularity quickly. He'll go down in history as the Black guy that did a really lousy job of running the United States. You know it is true. Even if you like him, you have to admit he is losing his mass appeal. Face it. He is a one term President and he is acting more and more like a spoiled twat. He isn't even the guy that the average American wants to have a beer with. He is a pompous ass. He is a ridiculously pompous ass twat.

Originally posted by Cabaret Voltaire
I think Obama is an unstable twisted goofball. He is really losing popularity quickly. He'll go down in history as the Black guy that did a really lousy job of running the United States. You know it is true. Even if you like him, you have to admit he is losing his mass appeal. Face it. He is a one term President and he is acting more and more like a spoiled twat. He isn't even the guy that the average American wants to have a beer with. He is a pompous ass. He is a ridiculously pompous ass twat.

I agree whole heartedly. He was prepped for this phased-role as 'absent minded'. When, America was foreshadowed he had a habit of being, well, gone during Congressional meetings, votes, actions, on and on...

Yes, he is absentee-ism, well defined. Now, get over all your problems as quickly as possible, tongue-in-cheek is the way...

reply to post by die_another_day


Trying to answer this question reminds me of a story I heard out of the viet nam war.

Supposedly, a vietnamese peasant was asked whether he wanted the communist side or the U.S. backed side to win.

His answer:

"What does it matter to a blade of grass whether it is eaten by a cow or a horse?"

IMO, fits the situation perfectly since the the average citizen will suffer which ever one obama turns out to be.

reply to post by centurion1211


I think that you got it wrong, it's not that Obama is anything, he is a corporate stooge, (by the way he is an Oligarch) Its that our whole government has become an Oligarchy. A ruling body for the corporate state.

People who are working not for the American taxpayer, but for the ruling corporate class, the wealthiest 1%

But keep the image of the two party system alive, keep everyone divided, it helps the ruling class of corporations strip us of our rights and sell them to the highest bidder.

reply to post by whatukno


But didn't you like my analogy?

doesn't it equally describe what you are saying - that it doesn't matter who "eats" us?

reply to post by centurion1211


The problem is the definition of freedom's enemy.

It's not just Obama, it's the whole damn congress, and the corporate bastards that control them.

When you clearly define the enemy of freedom, you know who to fight against. Obama is an Oligarch, he is not a fascist, not a Communist, not a Socialist, he is helping give our country away to the corporations.

So, when you look at it that way you can realize it's not a Republican Democrat issue, it's in fact people that pay off our elected officials.

These people (each of them) are given huge amounts of money for "campaign election funds" so it goes to show who really runs this country. The people who pay the politicians.

Obama is a closet socialist who deludes himself and the American people into thinking that what he wants is best for everyone when he really doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. He has no idea what the middle class family is all about or what struggling in a tight economic recession/depresion will do to a family, so he dictates "fair weathered" ideals from a podium and uses bribery to get what he wants.

He is no one I will respect because he hasn't earned it. He has appointed criminals as members of his cabinet and has the nerve to say that he's running the country "differently" that GW Bush. He is not a man I would sit and have a pint with because I would be too naseous in the presence of his overpowering egotism.

Obama is neither a fascist or a communist. He didn't know sh** about running a country or positions of leadership when he campaigned and he knew that he wasn't qualified. He played upon people's hate for the previous administration to get elected, with the help of the mainstream media and dim-witted Hollywood celebrities.

He is a con-artist and a bad joke. Period.

reply to post by ucalien


First, the Nazi party was a typew of Facism, not the other way around, there are many other forms of govenrment that can be considered facist without closely resembling the Nazi party.

Yes China doesnt follow all of the rules of the original idea proposed by Marx. In a true communist society the government would eliminate private companies in order to eliminate private profit. they would theoretically create the most efficient system to get the highest return on work, and then distribute it evenly to the people. Running it like a business.

So yes Snarf, a communist government would be run like a business.

other than the question of whether corporations exist or have power i see virtually no differences in the systems. they are both totalitarian regardless of whether or not the are facist.

others might disagree but i think they are very close, and i think everyone can look at the evidence and realise they are definitely not opposites

He's just a man with the weight of the world on his shoulders , everybody expects Obama to solve all the world problems , he cant do it by himself , he needs help .So stop bashing Obama , he is doing the best that he can.

Obama seems to be getting a lot of criticism from right-wingers for being a liberal, but the truth is, he's not a liberal, he's a fascist.

Personally, I'm glad the government regulates how much toxic waste corporations are allowed to dump into our oceans, rivers, lakes, streams and air. And I'm more than happy to pay my fair share of taxes for roads, bridges, sewers and all the other infrastructure we need in this world. I think Social Security and Medicare are good programs. And I wouldn't mind paying a monthly tax for a single-payer, government-run health care system like they have in Europe and Canada. So I'm proud to be called a liberal.

What I object to is having to pay for illegal, immoral wars and unnecessary military bases all over the world. The U.S. military now spends more each year than the combined budgets of all 50 states. And that's just the publicly announced budget. It doesn't include black operations, which probably amount to even more than the annual budget, which is now approaching $1 trillion.

I also approve of government agencies that (theoretically) protect consumers, such as the EPA, the SEC, the FDA and so on. The problem is, these agencies are so corrupt that they enable the very abuses they are designed to prevent. The Reagan Revolution took a major step toward our path to financial ruin when it deregulated the banking industry, which led to the wholesale pillaging of the savings and loans. Now we have credit-default swaps, derivatives and other financial disasters enabled by the repeal of the laws that prevented commercial banks from engaging in shady investment practices.

So, it seems to me that the real question is not whether to have lots of government or no government, it' s whether the government is going to be used to protect Americans or to exploit them. If we had honest, ethical people in charge of our government, it would probably work just fine. The problem is, everyone in government has a gun pointed at their head by the Illuminati. They are the reason for most of the problems in our society. All the chaos, injustice and senseless killing does not happen by accident, it happens by design.
See www.texemarrs.com/022010/rothschilds_plan.htm

There has long been an effort by the right wing in this country to make people believe "liberal" is a dirty word. One example of this during the 2008 campaign was when Republican candidates Mitt Romney and John McCain both tried to label each other as too "liberal."

Even more ridiculous is Jonah Goldberg's latest book, "Liberal Fascism," in which he argues that liberals are fascists. Apparently that idea resonates with some people, because his book was on the best-seller list. What a sad commentary on the intellectual state of affairs in this country.

All you have to do is look up the words in the dictionary to realize the two concepts are mutually exclusive. According to the definitions I found on dictionary.com, liberal means "favorable to progress or reform; favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom; free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant; open-minded; and not bound by conventional ideas."

Why anyone would not want to be associated with those qualities is beyond me.

On the other hand, fascism is defined as "a system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism."

Why would someone who advocated maximum individual freedom support a system that suppresses individual freedom -- especially the right to dissent? People who support fascism of the kind practiced by Hitler and Mussolini may be many things, but they are not liberals. There hasn't been a truly liberal president in this country since President Kennedy was assassinated by the Freemasons and the CIA in 1963.