New Study: Children Adopted by Homosexuals Are 'More Prone to Suicide'

reply to post by Bombeni


...and just where does the peer group learn the behaviour? They aren't born with it.

Yeah, the parents...the supposedly wiser ones from whom the children are supposed to learn from.

reply to post by neformore


I don't know Dock from Adam but I have to agree completely with him. If any of us had brought up info. from a completely different thread, it would have been zapped immediately and we'd see an OFF-TOPIC-POST REMOVED notice. If a member here wishes to make known something he or she had previously said in another thread, THAT'S up to said member.

Savvy?




[edit on 24-2-2010 by Bombeni]

reply to post by The Teller

Now those of you who are so vehemently opposed to seeing men kiss other men may need to question exactly why that is.

Homophobes tend to have the deepest closets. But, not to worry; that's all the more room for fabulous clothes to wear when they come out.

Originally posted by seagull
reply to post by Bombeni

 

...and just where does the peer group learn the behaviour? They aren't born with it.

Yeah, the parents...the supposedly wiser ones from whom the children are supposed to learn from.

Learn the behavior?? Who are you to tell anyone what values and social norms they can teach their children. But you'd be surprised. I doubt that very very VERY few parents make a point to tell their child homosexuals are bad people. We all know homosexuals. As I said, they are "regular" people, but even kids can have an innate knowledge, repeat, INNATE knowledge, that something is just downright odd.

Originally posted by greeneyedleo

Originally posted by KyoZero
reply to post by greeneyedleo

 

Guess this country isn't ready to be good and treat everyone like equals yet

-sigh-

well to all gays, lesbians, bis, transexuals...whatever you are...I love ya

-Kyo

Yes, well any argument that is made against homosexuals can be made against straights too. And im sure enough studies and "facts" can be found to support each side.

Haha, unbelieveable.

So now it's DOWN WITH HETEROSEXUALS?

Actually as absurd as your post was at face value, there IS an agenda by homosexuals to promote the hell out of it. I guess de-valuing heterosexuality would fit that agenda just fine.

reply to post by Bombeni


Sorry but I think you are wrong. It doesn't deviate from the thread. Its an example, and a point for discussion.

I didn't raise the issue of the mans credentials being too great for anyone on ATS to question.

But when it was bought into the conversation as some kind of justification for the report, because the mans qualifications make him "peerless" on ATS then it becomes part of the topic.

But then surely that begs the question. Which scientist is more valid - the one you choose to believe or the one you choose not to believe.

If you use the "peerless" argument as a defence for one, then surely it applies to the others.

And that then begs the questions - which one is right, and how do you justify/quantify it?

And thats very pertinent to the conversation here.

Originally posted by The Teller

But your avatar is of a female

Yours is a UFO so does that mean you are an alien? I think that statement above goes a long way to prove how much you cannot see past your nose and how you take values based on a single view.

It is not alien.
The TR-3Bravo is one of ours, as is the B-2, F-117, Aurora.....

reply to post by seagull


So you want to put vulnerable children at the very front of the fight for gay liberation? I don't care if two men kiss in public. God knows there are enough ugly heteros kissing and cuddling in public.

T

reply to post by Tiger5


With respect friend, the study is almost far from scientific considering the source and the lack of peer reivew...

Your right however, my opinion is valid as I am living what th OP is attempting to discredit as bad or not as good.

I can happily and proudly say that in MY situation, everything is perfect.

~Keeper

reply to post by Bombeni

Who are you to tell anyone what values and social norms they can teach their children.

Who are you to place a value judgment on others who don't fit into your stereotypical little world view?

Teach your children any lesson you choose, I certainly won't stop you. But if you intend to attempt to foist that lessoning off on others than you may expect that someone, myself in this instance, may call you on it.

Originally posted by Bombeni
Children are still being reproduced so obviously we still have plenty of heteros around, and we also still have plenty of what is called "social norms" around. If we get to the point where homosexuality is the norm, there aren't going to be any children to adopt, period.

I am curious... Do you believe that homosexuality is contagious? That any group of homosexuals in a society will spread their sexuality until there are no heterosexuals left, just a whole lot of gays and lesbians?

Excactly how does this prosess work, in your opinion? Please explain.

Oh, and by the way, you DO realize that homosexuality has been around for a long, long time, right? You are aware that the gays and the lesbians haven't "won" yet?

Originally posted by seagull
reply to post by Bombeni

 

Who are you to tell anyone what values and social norms they can teach their children.

Who are you to place a value judgment on others who don't fit into your stereotypical little world view?

Teach your children any lesson you choose, I certainly won't stop you. But if you intend to attempt to foist that lessoning off on others than you may expect that someone, myself in this instance, may call you on it.

I like how you singled out one sentence. The real gist of my post is that children are smarter than you think. Are you smarter than a 5th grader? Children can and usually DO develop their own--all by their little ol selves, with no coaching from us evil heterosexuals--feelings and reactions to "things". Give kids a little more credit will you? People don't preach to their kids that homosexuality is repugnant. Remember, you homosexual-marraige proponents say it's all natural. LOL. Homosexuals are just born that way. Well did it ever occur to you that other kids may just be born ANOTHER WAY?

Originally posted by Tiger5

Yes this man clearly has a bias. Now tell me that you don't have any bias!

Do tell. What exactly do I have to do with this? I never claimed not to have bias. I'll openly admit it. I didn't write this paper though.

Do you honestly believe that academic research is free from bias??

Nope and can give you plenty of examples of it. Again whats that have to do with showing this particular authors bias in this particular subject?

Do wise up.

Ad homs.

That is the reason why there is peer review.

has this paper been peer reviewed by a panel of impartial academics? And I am sure you know that the peer review process isn't perfect either.

Frankly you are just adding further obfuscation.

Am I? By clarifying the authors position on this subject that shows he has a clear agenda against gays is obfuscation? Ok

I contend that a biased researcher that does not falsify information can produce a valid scientific paper on the strength of the review process which can be a stiff hurdle to clear.

So do I and I'll agree with you on that but I contend that the peer review process isn't all it cracked up to be either. It does it's job most of the time but papers do get passed on credential and not merit on occasion. Not saying this will happen here but it does happen.



[edit on 24-2-2010 by Isthisthingon]

Originally posted by ziggystar60

Originally posted by Bombeni
Children are still being reproduced so obviously we still have plenty of heteros around, and we also still have plenty of what is called "social norms" around. If we get to the point where homosexuality is the norm, there aren't going to be any children to adopt, period.

I am curious... Do you believe that homosexuality is contagious? That any group of homosexuals in a society will spread their sexuality until there are no heterosexuals left, just a whole lot of gays and lesbians?

Excactly how does this prosess work, in your opinion? Please explain.

Oh, and by the way, you DO realize that homosexuality has been around for a long, long time, right? You are aware that the gays and the lesbians haven't "won" yet?

Well do YOU realize that heterosexuals have been around a lot longer? And the study which is the TOPIC of this thread suggests that kids raised in homosexual homes suffer from peer pressures. And the rainbow crew here wants us all to accept that we evil heterosexuals are the cause of it all.

I'm really trying to stay within the T & C's here, but as I've already said, if HOMOsexuals are just born that way, well don't forget so are heterosexuals. But you would have us believe that if it weren't for us evil heterosexual adults, the heterosexual kids would not sense anything wrong with what homosexuals do? We are talking about the kids, remember. We adults have accepted that homosexuality has become rampant, along with a lot of other "things" -- that doesn't mean we are going to say, well, can't beat 'em so might as well join 'em.

reply to post by greeneyedleo


Of course there are going to be more screwed up kids that live in "straight" families as opposed to "homosexual" families, the number of straight families probably outnumber gay families 100 to 1. Think about it, it's a mathematical certainty.

Sorry, but that's not even an argument IMO.



Peace

...there are studies by reputable researchers that appear to prove that serial killers, sexual sadists, necrophiliacs and other violent predators have the commonality of being reared by extreme-minded fundamentalist christian parents / guardians...

...the studies suggest that even though the predators could be labeled or have been labeled with disorders that many believe to be genetic, the cause of the dysfunction was more than likely the prolonged exposure to abusive parents / guardians who justified their violence via religion...

Originally posted by Bombeni

I'm really trying to stay within the T & C's here, but as I've already said, if HOMOsexuals are just born that way, well don't forget so are heterosexuals.

Excactly. So excactly HOW can a homosexual turn a heterosexual person into a gay or lesbian?



[edit on 24/2/10 by ziggystar60]

reply to post by Bombeni

"they" want adoption of children to be OK. And it is not!
You can tell them until you are blue in the face, that it is wrong, and evil will rebuke you!
We tried to tell Hitler he was wrong, and we got no where but war.
We tried to tell Mao, Pol-Pot, Stalin, ...the murder Scott Peterson, that they were wrong.
We could go to the depths of hell it self, and tell the devils, that they were/are wrong. All the while, we would be ridiculed, misquoted, and viciously attacked, for what?
These are the signs of the times. Homosexuality, child porn (Attempted legalization in England currently), and other abominations are right and right is wrong. It is what it is meant to be.
Come our G_D, Lord Jesus Christ, and judge us all.

reply to post by Bombeni


Yes I'm well aware that kids are smarter than they are given credit for. You don't think they don't or can't pick up on parents attitudes? They most certainly do.

Who has more of an influence on a young life? Parents? Peer groups? Obviously, both have tremendous influence, but I'd wager that parents far outweigh any peer group, or should.

If a child, having been adopted by a gay couple, is happy, well adjusted, clean and healthy "who are we" to judge whether or not its "correct". In my experience, good parenting isn't based on sexual preference. I'm neither gay, nor am I a parent; but I have eyes to see with, and a brain to think with; happy child, good parent.

Judge by result, not by bias, which is exactly what this "study" is doing.

Originally posted by Violater1
reply to post by Bombeni

 

"they" want adoption of children to be OK. And it is not!
You can tell them until you are blue in the face, that it is wrong, and evil will rebuke you!
We tried to tell Hitler he was wrong, and we got no where but war.
We tried to tell Mao, Pol-Pot, Stalin, ...the murder Scott Peterson, that they were wrong.
We could go to the depths of hell it self, and tell the devils, that they were/are wrong. All the while, we would be ridiculed, misquoted, and viciously attacked, for what?
These are the signs of the times. Homosexuality, child porn (Attempted legalization in England currently), and other abominations are right and right is wrong. It is what it is meant to be.
Come our G_D, Lord Jesus Christ, and judge us all.

Did you just compare homosexuals to hitler, mao, pol-pot and Stalin?

You are going to have to elaborate the correlation here.

Because it sounds like the ramblings of a lunatic.

honestly, sounds like something Ahmadenajhad would say....