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Joe Stack Had 9/11, NSA and Homeland Security Related Defense Contractor Clients

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posted on Feb, 24 2010 @ 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by MaxBlack
THEY WERE ACTING NORMALLY" just before whatever happened.



Just like the Ft Hood shooter. That is scary. This is a weapon worse than any of them.
Still it doesn't seem likely that they would use someone who could be traced back to them when some random person would do as well.

I still think he was stuffed as a dead body into the plane and flown remote control Either way, what remains to be seen is whether the public will let this one be swept under the rug.

Could it be possible that this Vernon Hunter could have CIA connections? He could be another Michael Loudenslager

[edit on 24-2-2010 by m khan]




posted on Feb, 24 2010 @ 01:36 PM
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Maybe whoever burned the house down expected to catch the family in it?
It seems odd that if you were in debt that you would not sell the plane, house, and the private hanger(or at least your share of it). My other
thought is that this man does'nt seem like the type of guy that would want
to hurt random employees, I would think that he would have flown into
the fed offices on a saturday or sunday, just to destroy the fed building
and himself. Instead he is labled a coward and his family is disgraced
and poor. Does'nt make sense, of course crazy poeple usually do not and there is enough evidience to support more investigation, so let the conspiracy theories begin



posted on Feb, 24 2010 @ 01:59 PM
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I've been reading in another thread, the FBI already had prior knowledge about Joe Stack's attack. If you, a common guy got access to these infos about connections between Stack-NSA-CIA-whatever, I wonder WHAT the intelligence guys knew about him... And WHY they did sh*t to prevent the event?? It's just me or it seems an inside job to provoke a chain-reaction with more "Joe Stack's attitudes" and pull north-americans into a situation of national disorders, followed by Martial Law?? In another words, the Obama's government is being sabotaged.



posted on Feb, 24 2010 @ 02:05 PM
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actually, it was not allowed to happen as to start a chain reaction, but
to prevent one. Alot of people will feel vindicated by his actions but will also realize that if they attempt to do likewise, they to will also be labled
a coward. therefore no one does anything at all.



posted on Feb, 24 2010 @ 02:09 PM
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nice find good invesigation. Cetainly casts a suspicious light on the whole thing eh?


It'll never make the mainsteam news.


PG



posted on Feb, 24 2010 @ 02:12 PM
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That's an interesting observation and it is certainly possible that this whole thing was staged to
# enforce more strict laws
# delegitimization of Obama Govt
# silence criticism of taxes among public and gain sympathy for Govt.
# or coverup something else?



posted on Feb, 24 2010 @ 02:26 PM
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Interesting info and well done OP for putting in the work. Just to add, here in Scotland/UK Ive saw no sign of any media coverage of the event. My wife even doubted that it had happened when I told her....yea she is very difficult to wake up, but Im getting there.


respects



posted on Feb, 24 2010 @ 02:59 PM
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I had thought about making this post a new thread, but then decided that it would probably still fit under yours. Thanks for the research, by the way!

So here's my issue....I remember when I first saw the news reports that morning about the plane, they were reporting that Joe Stack's family was NOT in the house at the time of the fire. They had been staying in a hotel. This struck me as VERY odd.

Now, fast-forward throughout the same day, the news reports switched and all of them started stating that the neighbors rescued his family out of his house after he intentionally set it on fire. I thought that was a pretty large mistake to make, and I figured that maybe they had just gotten their stories mixed up. But no, the story stayed the same. However, when I ran a search, it was extremely easy to find sources that confirmed the initial reports.

Austin Family Sues Joe Stack's Wife



“Stack [his wife] was threatened enough by Joseph Stack that she took her daughter and stayed at a hotel the night before the plane crash,” the suit said.

Sheryl Stack has declined to comment on the incident, other than a written statement that said she was grief-stricken.”


So add this to yours, and then weigh in the above quote, and there's a LOT about this situation that does not make sense. My points are this:

1. Any woman that is terrified of her husband enough to take her child to a hotel would ALSO call the police and file a report. If danger is present, then why wasn't that done?

2. But his wife clearly stated that she is grief stricken. Any wife that is fleeing with her children would not be grief stricken. The daughter has also called her father a hero. Not exactly a reaction you'd expect from a daughter who is fleeing with her mother to escape a crazed man.

3. I find it odd that the house was burned, coincidentally while they were gone, yet the major news networks "corrected" their earlier reports to reflect that the neighbor "rescued" the family out of the burning home....thus implying that Stack attempted to murder them.

Too much about this doesn't line up. I wouldn't be surprised if he were still alive and in hiding somewhere. This is merely a musing on my part, but if it were true, then whose body was in the plane IF he were remotely controlling it from the ground and had a radio relay to the control tower through the plane?



posted on Feb, 24 2010 @ 02:59 PM
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I really get a feeling this was a staged attack like Oklahoma City years ago, with similar results. Or at least it is starting to look like it.



posted on Feb, 24 2010 @ 03:15 PM
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December_Rain

There are a couple of initial threads about the story when and after it broke. However no follow up threads with the info you posted, or at least that I have seen, have been posted.

In one of the threads, I linked to a copy of the letter he allegedly left behind (the source site is cryptome, who are currently down). It sounds ligit, and is nothing like what the government would use to try and make him look like a patsy, meaning, in my opinion his letter was much too detailed to be a forgery.

There is alot more to this, hence the virtual media black out.

That's how you can tell it is important, the MSM don't give it the time of day.



posted on Feb, 24 2010 @ 03:24 PM
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Another curios thing I noted that Department of Homeland Security released a press statement on Feb 17 exactly a day before Austin crash regarding visit to Texas related to Aviation security.


Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Janet Napolitano yesterday toured Transportation Security Administration (TSA) explosive detection technologies and canine program operations in Virginia and Texas—highlighting $576 million in American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA) funds and other security investments devoted to securing the U.S. aviation system and creating jobs in local communities across the country since President Obama signed the bill into law one year ago.

Release Date: February 17, 2010
Secretary Napolitano Highlights Strengthened Aviation Security and Stimulus Provided to Local Economies on Recovery Act Anniversary

And on same day a article was printed regarding Homeland Security Secretary Napolitano meeting few organisations which are listed as "terrorist" in US. The actual meeting took place on Jan 27 - 28th but this was nowhere covered in any MSM.


Last month, U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and her senior staff privately met in Washington, D.C., with a select group of Muslim, Arab, and Sikh organizations. Among the mix were three organizations directly associated with an outlawed terrorist entity — the Muslim Brotherhood.

Secretary Napolitano spent an hour and a half briefing them on Department of Homeland Security (DHS) counter-radicalization and anti-terrorist programs. The intensive briefings spanned two days (January 27 and 28) and were called by the DHS.

Napolitano Meets with Muslim Brotherhood Leaders

Could it have any possible link?



posted on Feb, 24 2010 @ 03:38 PM
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wtf

Why must everything be a bloody conspiracy! a dog cant crap on the sidewalk without it being a secret bio weapon by TPTB to etc etc etc...


and no, not belittling this...I actually see a damned conspiracy here...man...fed up with all this bullsh$#

ok...fine...FINE!!! whats the bloody point now...who benefits from this...time to start looking deeply into the...erm

you know what, to hell with it, I am sitting this one out for now. lemme know what the deal is...I am tired of every freaking person on earth being part of some damned chess game.

-flips on American Idol and puts "out to lunch" sign on for awhile-



posted on Feb, 24 2010 @ 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by December_Rain
on same day a article was printed regarding Homeland Security Secretary Napolitano meeting few organisations which are listed as "terrorist" in US. The actual meeting took place on Jan 27 - 28th but this was nowhere covered in any MSM.


Last month, U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and her senior staff privately met in Washington, D.C., with a select group of Muslim, Arab, and Sikh organizations. Among the mix were three organizations directly associated with an outlawed terrorist entity — the Muslim Brotherhood.

Secretary Napolitano spent an hour and a half briefing them on Department of Homeland Security (DHS) counter-radicalization and anti-terrorist programs. The intensive briefings spanned two days (January 27 and 28) and were called by the DHS.

Napolitano Meets with Muslim Brotherhood Leaders

Could it have any possible link?

This is amazing. Could it have been possible that they were staging some Murrah type attack using Moslems or Sikhs and called if off because someone,maybe Stack, got in the way. It doesn't sound logical that they would waste a false flag attack without using a Moslem. Just like they did in OKC,they could have backed off and decided last minute to put it on "home grown" terrorists.



posted on Feb, 24 2010 @ 03:49 PM
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Hi, yes I have read his full letter which is now also available on a mirror site posted in OP. I agree it does sound legit but with the new links defence contractors, NSA & Homeland security it starts to shade a grey picture. Secondly, the guy was upset and talked about being broke but he owned a aeroplane!!

Also why would a guy target the IRS building when he states in his suicide rant that it was his accountant that screwed up?

Third, a similar sized plane hit a high rise in St. Pete, FL in 2002. Here’s the damage that plane did:


and Joe Stack crash did this

Now with such massive damage only few casualities?

Also what a co-incidence of Fire Tenders near the crash site. Don;t you think all these are too much co-incidence?

Another important thing is his own daughter testimony after attack


Stack's daughter from his first marriage, Samantha Dawn Bell, said the Web manifesto didn't sound like the father she knew.

"It's not him. The letter itself sounds like it's coming from a different person," she said in an interview from her home in Norway

Source: news.yahoo.com...



posted on Feb, 24 2010 @ 04:55 PM
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Holy cow! I was convinced that Joe Stack just had massive cojones and heroically struck a blow against the empire. His "manifesto" sounds legit and like someone would be righteously POed by being driven to bankruptcy not once but twice, and especially at his age. He was near sixty and looking towards eating dog food for the rest of his life. Foreclosure must have been looming and torching the house instead of letting it get repo'd is a nice touch.

Then I started thinking; if he had huge cojones and someone had just basically stolen everything from him, he would be far more motivated to kill a bunch of IRS agents than to kill himself. I remember a guy in SF who snapped like that and went into the court that had ruled against him and capped a specific judge and a bunch of DA's and other shyster liars I mean lawyers that he personally was taking out until he finally got taken out. That would be more like it.

As posted in a photo above, it's highly unlikely that a little Cessna would do anywhere near the damage done to that building. Couple that with the fact that he was a software engineer specialising in remote controlling aircraft applications, owned his own plane and half the hangar so was certainly not broke with dog food in his future, and the plot thickens.

If he owned the plane and the hangar, he was nowhere near broke enough to drive him to suicide. If someone had just stolen EVERYTHING from YOU, would that make you want to kill yourself, or the guy who did it?

The PTB always like to kill two birds with one stone, if not more than two. 911 wasn't JUST to start the unending war, it also just happened to make a ton of money on an insurance scam for Silverstein, make a ton of money for unknowns on put options on AA that the SEC somehow cannot trace, and allow the PATRIOT act to be rammed through without reading it, plus boosting the smirking chimp's approval ratings.

This guy probably found something out about 911 that he was about to blow the whistle on. This would point the finger at remote control plane systems like Global Hawk as being involved, and then the whole scam unravels. Or he had been in on it for a long time, but finally his conscience was starting to eat at him and he was about to spill the beans.

So he needs to be whacked, and in a spectacular way to give a warning to all other possible whistleblowers. Everyone always asks how could such a big conspiracy possibly be kept secret? That's how. Anyone who was in on it is getting the message loud and clear right now. And it gets set up in such a way so as to allow the ramming through of more repressive and unconstitutional laws. There will soon be sound bites of "Posting anti govt tirades on the internet makes you a terrorist" etc. and the sheeple go along with it.

And as a bonus, I bet they wanted to remodel that building, so that gets picked up and some fat cats make huge kickbacks on THAT deal. All in all, killing a whole FLOCK of birds with one stone. If anyone could do a little research on that I bet you would turn up a bunch of maggots under that rock.



posted on Feb, 24 2010 @ 06:09 PM
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i highly doubt the US govt had anything to do with a attack on a IRS building.

I'd measure a guess and say the only people clueless enough to believe such paranoid trash would be 9/11truthers.

It's what most people would do and try to distance them self from someone as low down and disgusting such as that man. You don't need to be in some evil master mind plan with a person to know the closer you are to trash the more you smell of it.

What happened when Tiger Woods was blasted all over the news for having affairs? half his sponsors dropped him.

Its the same exact thing.



posted on Feb, 24 2010 @ 06:23 PM
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Respect your opinion but kindly do not judge that any conspiracy related to 9/11 is "truther". I don't have any particular views regarding 9/11 nor do I frequent that section. Yes I do have doubts about some things but not much involved in it. Thank you for sharing your opinion though.



posted on Feb, 24 2010 @ 08:35 PM
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posted on Feb, 24 2010 @ 08:54 PM
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Very nice sleuthing, December_Rain! I've thought it was the work of an angry individual that the msm tried to spin into being a worse person than he was in saying he was trying to kill his family by burning down the house, which turned out to be an serious bs embellishment that got called out, but only to those aware of the true story.

What struck me odd about this: the amount of damage, unlesss Joe Stack filled up his plane with flammables- and the precision, I heard that the IRS agent that was supposed to meet this guy was also killed, and I eventually thought... Wait a minute, such precision! I fly plane sims and it's somewhat hard to fly down with such speeds... depending on wind speed drifting your plane off either way.

Along with strange reports of Joe Stack's behavior or decisions, I wonder if there is indeed something more to this story.

I think differently about this case after what you've shown us. Thank goodness for people like you who can put together these kinds of stories from existing evidence, and you managed to catch out intelligence agencies in trying to delete at least one website piece of evidence posted by you in a panicked effort to try cover some great evidence up, they can't delete the internet, at least for now.









[edit on 24-2-2010 by star in a jar]

[edit on 24-2-2010 by star in a jar]



posted on Feb, 24 2010 @ 09:05 PM
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i consult on finance trends....and do well picking major swing reversals....and i see a trend swinging to stinky. add it all up and whatya got?......a plane loaded with flammable and a body.



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