New research reveals "writing" dates back over 30,000 years

New research reveals "writing" dates back over 30,000 years - 26 repeated "signs"!!, page 1

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Topic started on 23-2-2010 @ 05:22 PM by kiwifoot

reply posted on 23-2-2010 @ 06:24 PM by siahchi

reply to post by kiwifoot

Fascinating! The zig-zag, pectiform and peniform bear strong resemblance to Phoenician as well as Runic. I wonder if they'll discover similar writing at the recently unearthed temple in Turkey they call Gobekli Tepe or the ancient South African ruins?

www.newsweek.com...

mysterytopia.com...

reply posted on 23-2-2010 @ 06:32 PM by Logarock

Great post. These are really old. The Ka is absent however.

reply posted on 23-2-2010 @ 09:34 PM by NotThat

Thank you for this information. I saw cave pantings in South Africa. The lines/shapes seemed like more than just doodles to go along with the paintings of animals.

reply posted on 24-2-2010 @ 05:59 AM by kiwifoot

Originally posted by siahchi
reply to post by kiwifoot

Fascinating! The zig-zag, pectiform and peniform bear strong resemblance to Phoenician as well as Runic. I wonder if they'll discover similar writing at the recently unearthed temple in Turkey they call Gobekli Tepe or the ancient South African ruins?

www.newsweek.com...

mysterytopia.com...

I was going to do a thread on the Gobekli site but was beaten to it by another member!

The link to the signs actually brings up a larger image which shows which signs are common to various places, N America, Europe, India etc! I believe it has to be more than coincidence that these signs are repeated time and time again over many years!

Thanks for the links, all the best, KF!

reply posted on 24-2-2010 @ 07:25 AM by masqua

We may never be able to decipher the symbols into a sane language, but at least we know what the source was: Entoptics.

Additional links:

dspace.dial.pipex.com...
www.megalithic-visions.org...

David Lewis-Williams,Professor Emeritus of Wittwaterstrand University (SA) is, imo, the ultimate resource for the study.

In his book The Mind in the Cave, David Lewis-Williams suggests these marks may be understood as entoptic phenomena. Entoptic = within vision. In other words, this imagery 'may originate ... between the eye itself and the cortex of the brain.' He distinguishes two types of entoptic imagery: phosphenes, induced by physical stimulation, such as pressure on the eyeball itself; and form constants which derive from the optic system beyond the eye. There is a spacial relationship between the retina and the visual cortex which means that points close together on the retina, if stimulated, lead to the firing of equivalently placed neurons in the cortex. Lewis-Williams suggests that, when psychotropic substances are taken, as he believes they were by most ancient artists, the usual order of this process is, or can be, reversed so that 'the pattern in the cortex is perceived as the visual percept.' People in this state may see the structure of their own brains.

lucaantara.blogspot.com...

An animation showing how entoptics come into our vision

Many of my paintings contain these symbols. Here's one:

The upper panel displays what are considered 'male' entoptics/symbols while the lower panel features 'female'. The hand above is my own and the lower one that of my wife.

added links

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reply posted on 24-2-2010 @ 08:34 AM by Aliensun

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Some on ATS will cringe at this statement, but given early interventions by ETs to the first, capable humans cultures, art, language and writing would have been some of the first gifts. Art, such as cave art protected from the elements, would be the best evidence that remains. And so it is....

Let us hope that they will be so kind toward us at this moment in time.

reply posted on 24-2-2010 @ 08:44 AM by DaRAGE

i really wish we could understand what they were writing. I wonder if it's ever been translated before

reply posted on 24-2-2010 @ 09:25 AM by Hic sunt dracones

What a great discovery...wish i could read "caveman". Probably just the football results

reply posted on 24-2-2010 @ 09:55 AM by tyranny22

I can't believe no one posted the artwork.

Here it is:

Photo courtesy of Wikipedia.

EDIT: to embed

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reply posted on 24-2-2010 @ 10:02 AM by wylekat

If those are the cave paintings, they are above and beyond the usual artwork, which is usually stick figures and stuff right on the edge of abstract.

That said- are they *sure* it's thousands of years old? Having had to study art- the usual progression has been from crude stick figures to more refined art. Now, it wouldn't surprise me to find out history (as usual) is wrong....

reply posted on 24-2-2010 @ 10:25 AM by Welshextremist

holy! that is the best artwork of animals ive ever seen tbh

wish i could draw as good as that

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reply posted on 24-2-2010 @ 10:50 AM by davo2012

reply to post by Aliensun

Right on brother. I think we have to be kidding our selves, for not even entertaining, the idea that maybe, just maybe, we were visited by (ET) beings at some point in our history. The height of human arrogance!

It's funny, i just started an Egyptian Archaeology course today, and i come on here tonight and find this amazing story about the possibility of human language being tens of thousands of years old.

And why not? We have Gobekli Tepe which is estimated to be 11,000 years old, anything is possible.

Peace!

reply posted on 24-2-2010 @ 11:18 AM by grantbeed

Fantastic Post Kiwifoot. S&F.

I remember reading a bit about these caves a while back. Looks like a great discovery.

Maybe they will tell us the truth about how old the Pyramids really are soon?!

reply posted on 24-2-2010 @ 11:30 AM by Mr.Jcury

reply to post by kiwifoot

Very interesting…. Nice post buddy. It’s good to see posts like this.

Star for you

reply posted on 24-2-2010 @ 11:47 AM by Prime-Vector

thats pretty cool stuff!

all the ancient civilizations were really advanced, look at egypt, they were very advanced for there time period, yet look at them now?

reply posted on 24-2-2010 @ 11:53 AM by Zeta Reticuli

WOW the art is very nice!

Being in a cave i think it is safe to assume that they were drawn from memory and not from watching them in action, which is even more amazing! im an artist myself and i always have trouble drawing out the bodies of animals and getting all the joints right in their proper location, but these guys nailed it.

good stuff good stuff.

reply posted on 24-2-2010 @ 12:06 PM by RuneSpider

I was just looking at cuneform for another forum, and some of the symbols looks similar.
While Sumerian writing was the earliest, it's been known that writing's origins are older. This find would work it back.

reply posted on 24-2-2010 @ 01:45 PM by kiwifoot

Originally posted by Aliensun
reply to post by kiwifoot

Some on ATS will cringe at this statement, but given early interventions by ETs to the first, capable humans cultures, art, language and writing would have been some of the first gifts. Art, such as cave art protected from the elements, would be the best evidence that remains. And so it is....

Let us hope that they will be so kind toward us at this moment in time.

I think one of the best things about this topic, is that we really haven't a clue what they were doing, so all theories are totally valid.

I like masqua's explanation, but I too beleive in ET influence on early man!

Who knows, that's why every and all ideas should be welcome!

All the best, kiwifoot!

reply posted on 24-2-2010 @ 01:53 PM by Equinox99

What kind of tests have been run to date these drawings back 30,000-50,000 years? I understand there are repeating signs but what is the chance of these being hoaxes?

Non-the-less, Fascinating information. Thanks.

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