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Topic started on 22-2-2010 @ 11:42 PM by dolphinfan

Reid: 'Men, when they're out of work, tend to become abusive'


thehill.com
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) suggested Monday that domestic violence by men has increased due to U.S. joblessness.

Reid, speaking in the midst of a Senate debate over whether to pass a $15 billion package meant to spur job creation, appeared to argue that joblessness would lead to more domestic violence.

"Men, when they're out of work, tend to become abusive," the majority leader added. "Our domestic crisis shelters in Nevada are jammed.”


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reply posted on 22-2-2010 @ 11:48 PM by OutKast Searcher
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I don't know if I disagree with his statement.

Being out of work is a very stressful situation and a lot of us men feel a personal responsibility to provide for our families.

Would I be abusive if I was out of a job...no...I don't believe I would.


Do I think it is outrageous to think that for some men the stress of that situation may push them over the edge and they may become abusive...absolutely.

He isn't saying every man who is out of work becomes abusive...he is saying it is a possibility...and I agree.


reply posted on 22-2-2010 @ 11:55 PM by Mr Sunchine
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I got news for Reid. Men who work their butts off and their taxes raised to pay for everyone else to the point that they can barely pay their own bills also become abusive.... to politicians who keep raising taxes and stripping them of their freedom

[edit on 22-2-2010 by Mr Sunchine]


reply posted on 23-2-2010 @ 12:00 AM by dolphinfan
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He did not suggest that men who were already likely to be abusive were more likely to be abusive when out of work. I that is a reasonable and logical thing to say.

Thats not what he said though. He made a blanket statement about men and it is disgraceful. 99.99% of men don't engage in domestic violence when employed or not employed.

You could very easily make the statement that single mothers who are out of work are more likely to abuse their children.

Blanket statements are seldom wise. He was clearly making a connection between not passing the jobs bill and women and kids being beaten by their fathers and for the leader of the US Senate and one who represents several million men from Nevada, should be ashamed of himself


reply posted on 23-2-2010 @ 04:40 AM by Tiger5
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My my we are a sensitive bunch.

Here is the key point.

""Men, when they're out of work, tend to become abusive," the majority leader added. "Our domestic crisis shelters in Nevada are jammed.”"

Can anyone verify that the domestic crisis centre have become jammed as the local economy has declined? This would be a positive correlation between two events.

It seems sensible to expect that a certain kind of man would take out his frustrations in the wrong ways e.e.g boozing, fighting abusing your partner.

I am a healthy man but I have to say that when I was unemployed it was an eye opener in terms of mental health. Many of us need to work for our health



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reply posted on 23-2-2010 @ 08:36 AM by seamus
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to
post by dolphinfan



I don't know if I disagree with his statement.

Being out of work is a very stressful situation and a lot of us men feel a personal responsibility to provide for our families.

Would I be abusive if I was out of a job...no...I don't believe I would.


Do I think it is outrageous to think that for some men the stress of that situation may push them over the edge and they may become abusive...absolutely.

He isn't saying every man who is out of work becomes abusive...he is saying it is a possibility...and I agree.


I don't think it's possible to become abusive. You either are or you aren't. However, you might have a nagging wife, who could conceivably drive you to violence with her endless bartching. I know a good many men driven to drink by the blabbermouth woman. It is not surprising if some men, at the end of desperation, cannot any longer fight off the urge to 'reach out and touch' the source of their torment.


reply posted on 23-2-2010 @ 09:32 AM by iMacFanatic
Your analogies are totally off the mark for this discussion...there isn't even the slightest parallel.

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Domestic abuse on rise as economy sinks
Hotline calls up from last year as are cases of shaken baby syndrome
updated 4:20 p.m. ET April 10, 2009

GARDEN CITY, N.Y. - Some hospitals report seeing more than twice as many shaken babies as a year ago. Deaths from domestic violence have increased sharply in some areas.

Calls to domestic-violence hotlines have risen too, and more than half the callers said their families' financial situation has changed recently.

Across the country, these and other signs point to another troubling effect of the recession: The American home is becoming more violent, and the ailing economy could be at least partially to blame.

www.msnbc.msn.com...


Recession can be deadly for domestic abuse victims
By Mary R. Lauby and Sue Else
December 25, 2008

THE RIPPLE EFFECT of the economic crisis has multiplied in ways that many of us could never imagine: banks folding, stock markets diving, and an astronomical government bailout.

For victims of domestic violence, the impact of this downward economic spiral could be deadly.

Economic stresses often lead to more frequent abuse, more violent abuse, and more dangerous abuse when domestic violence already exists. Domestic violence programs report that victims experience an increase in abuse in part because out-of-work abusers have more opportunity to batter. Rhode Island, for example, has recently seen a 25 percent increase in felony-level domestic violence crimes. Victims end up with fewer opportunities to contact programs for help, attend support groups, or get away from the batterer.

www.boston.com...


Recession Triggers Rise in Domestic Abuse
Increasing Numbers of Battered Women are Seeking Shelter

Apr 28, 2009 Rupert Taylor
The Calgary Women's Shelter has reported a dramatic increase in the occurrence of domestic abuse, and lays the blame for this on the recession.

Sheryl Ubelacker is the Health Reporter for The Canadian Press. On April 13, 2009 she wrote a story “Domestic Abuse on Rise as Families Try to Cope with Recession” that was picked up by most news outlets in Canada.
Economic Downturn Causes Spike in Abuse

Ms. Ubelacker wrote that “Since the recession took hold, social service organizations say, there has been a significant spike in the number of Canadians seeking counselling for family violence – and the level of abuse has taken a disturbing turn for the worse.”

Following up on this, the CBC program The Current reported on April 20, 2009 that, “The Calgary Women’s Emergency Shelter runs a 24-hour family violence help line. In February [2009], it took 1,366 calls. That's a 300 percent increase from the previous year."

Lisa Falkowsky is executive director of the Calgary shelter. She told The Canadian Press, “…we’re also finding that for the women coming forward, the complexity and severity of what they’re demonstrating is much more severe than we’ve seen in a long time. I’ve got counsellors who have worked in the field 20-plus years and they’ve never seen what they’re seeing now.”

physical-abuse.suite101.com...


Note that I chose articles to cite that are at least a year old so it couldn't be claimed that I am citing the current article Reid was referring to.

A simple google search will show numerous reports of increases of spousal, child and elder abuse rises during economic hard times.

AND again I stress abuse is wrong no matter who does it to whom or for what excuse.

[edit on 2/23/2010 by iMacFanatic]
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