Originally posted by jdub297
No, it wasn't. It was Steve Clemons', a blogger's for TPM.

With all fairness to the OP, he is only commenting on what is said in the article. Steve Clemons claims the Pentagon is looking into this. From one of his responses to someone's comments:

I did link to a legal code that deals with taking away citizenship, but I don't know if it has been applied, challenged, or what the legal cases and precedents surrounding this issue are. What I know is what some Generals and Pentagon staff have been brainstorming about -- so I put that out for response.

The "PENTAGON" does not make laws. Nor do they declare martial law, the "Commander in Chief" does that. It would be Obama's call if this went forward and the Democratic Congress'.

This is why I raised the question—why is the Pentagon, specifically, looking into this? Did anyone in the Executive Branch ask the Pentagon to look into it? We should be worried that someone in the Obama administration would ask for this matter to be studied, but I think it's still far more worrisome if the Pentagon is looking into this by their own initiative. I'd like to have some answers to these questions.

Oh thank god then if I speak out enough, and loudly, I can be exiled from the U.S. and be labeled a political exile, go live in Canada, and watch America continue crumbling.

Sign me up for some of this, please.

Hmm interesting read for sure but as Converge already stated 8 U.S.C. already has a provision for people who commit treason and take up arms against the U.S.A. The pentagon can think about the idea all they want, but they cannot do anything.

The power to write that kind of legislation comes only from congress. Citizenship is something you are born with, it’s involuntary, that is until you decide to give it up one day. Which you can do any time you want to.  Hell half of the pentagons ideas never even see the light of day so I can only imagine what they have thought of before this.

I doubt anything like this would even get through congress and even then if it did who knows…it would be a sad day. I wouldn’t count on the Supreme Court to strike anything down like that as they usually stay out of that little area its congress’s domain.

Actually, it would be wise to strip all adherents to Islam of citizenship.

I warned back in 2003 that muslims residing in America should begin self deportation. That the Jihad attack of 9/11 would result in the eventual demonization of muslims and their eventual ostracism from American culture.

And here we now see some semblance of clearheaded thinking coming out of the Pentagon. It doesn't go far enough, but it is a good start. A muslim engaged in jihad has by definition renounced any claim to citizenship in any nation save for the nation of Islam.

Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
Actually, it would be wise to strip all adherents to Islam of citizenship.

Then your prejudiced idea is as unconstitutional and insane as the Pentagon's. Sorry, but there is no other way to put it.

[edit on 23-2-2010 by converge]

There have been some excellent posts in this thread. Others, not so much so.

But in the spirit of the conspiracy site that hosts our musings, I would like to remind some, and mention to others, that when you use the term "Pentagon" you are essentially referring to the military-industrial (corporate) complex which is almost literally 'married' to the transnational financial cartel that effectively controls our political machinery.

Ideological nonsense aside, the status of citizenship only has notional merit in court... and not so much so in admiralty court.

These considerations that have been presented for our consideration are theater. In the end, tyrants do what they want; laws are merely for controlling the citizens of the sate, NOT protecting them.... THAT is the aim. It is fairly easy to find an excuse to apply a 'new' law, or 'new' precept of Juris prudence; they no longer need to justify to us.... and any effort to do so is, once again, theater.

"Take away the citizenship of a citizen" should raise the hackles of ANY conscious American who isn't otherwise entrenched in the 'fear' meme that media feeds us every day.

I have a beautifully crafted idea - and you gentlemen have given this thought fire with your posts pertaining to the original 13th amendment as well as what's outlined in the current Code.

"If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive, or retain any title of nobility or honor, or shall without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office, or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince, or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them."

Those scenarios are contemplated in 8 U.S.C. §1481 (2) taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or (...) (4)(A) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years if he has or acquires the nationality of such foreign state; or (B) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years for which office, post, or employment an oath, affirmation, or declaration of allegiance is required;

I'm of the opinion that those who are officially involved with ANY religious group, cult, order, faction, or denomination should be banned from having the ability to dictate the terms of law for this country.

Religions have all of them - in one form or another - written off their support for this government be it in the form of objections to social security, serving in the armed forces, participation in jury duty, pledging allegiance to the flag, etc.

Religions have all of them made the statement that they serve 'GOD' over Government.

Some of them claim to not even be part of a "Country" - such as Jehovah's Witnesses, and the Amish.

Some religions practice child sacrifice, endorse anarchy, and command it's practitioners to commit acts of oppression, violence, sexual and mental abuse, and aggression against fellow humans... And then spread lies about it. (sound familiar to anyone here?)

Free Masonry is a form of Religion, in ALL of it's various forms, whether it be Rosicrucian, Luciferian, Franciscan, Thelemetic, Illumanist, Bohemian, Solomonic, Enochian, Pagan, Templar, Psionic, etc...

There are thousands of Masonic Orders - each with their own brand of beliefs, practices, and organizations that exist in support of such - Right on down to Job's Daughters, and the Boy Scouts of America.

They've even formed their own insider 'secret service' groups, like Cosa Nostra, Nuestra Familia, Ma Fia, Triad, the CIA, ISI, Moussad, and others - to perform illegal acts against others in the interest of thier organization. Even Hitler has his S.S., Gestapo, and Wiess Macht groups, and Lenin his K.G.B.

People are told these entities are government factions, but they are to the contrary organizations created in support of an organization, which also has control of a country's government.

After all... what would a Vatican be without a Swiss Guard, Opus Dei. or Knights of Columbus?....

What would America be without the Shriners, the Red Cross, or the American Legion?

Yeah, I can go on and on, and yeah, some of these organization are honest organizations with good people in them... at least in public.

When they have their closed door, members only sessions however, THAT's when things get a bit interesting... However, the closed door sessions of REAL importance are the ones only certain members of those memberships are allowed to partake in.

These are the meetings with the AGENDA... And I think that most here on ATS realize that every one of the organizations I've mentioned here all have AGENDAS.

What America Needs is an AGENDA free person - who doesn't have the interests of an Organization first and foremost at heart before that of the American Peoples - to be responsible for the Governance of America.



I propose that the law as it exists be utilized to rid the American Government of all the agendas conspiring to take American Power and use it against other's of differing agenda. I propose that we use these laws to cleanse our leadership of the agendas that conspire to utilize American Wealth to enrich those who do not deserve it, and in turn return it's benevolence to the American People.

This country has so much going for it. There shouldn't be homeless people, or kids who are starving here in America. We should be amongst the top of the class regarding intelligence, wisdom, and tolerance.

It is because of these organizations and their agendas that we're not. Get rid of their sphere of influence from amongst those that dictate the law, and who enact reform, and I'll guarantee America will rebound gloriously.