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They Will Eventually Legalize Child Pornography

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posted on Feb, 23 2010 @ 01:43 PM
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reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984
 


It's good to hear that it no longer is legal in Denmark!



posted on Feb, 23 2010 @ 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by Aeons
ah yes. I remember when that one political party was going to have a townhall.

too bad it was a cyber town hall. A real one would have been SOOOOOOOO useful.

Boom.



Yeah i'm not a violent person so i will simply say i hope that one day they hold a really large conference in real life, where every single member attends, that the Danish police and intelligence services get court orders to search the homes of anyone present and that every single one of them gets imprisoned because these peopel want the use of real child pornography.

[edit on 23-2-2010 by ImaginaryReality1984]



posted on Feb, 23 2010 @ 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by QBSneak000
I think that one way to combat this problem is to punish countries where it is accepted or legal like certain European places, by completely shutting them out of trade or aid....or even kicking them out of the UN and getting NO protection or funding from the rest of the civilized world until they change their ways


A little extreme since many countries considered peddlers of kiddie porn have the same laws at most other places concerning kids, sexual ages, and the like.
The laws just don't extend to artistic photography and art. Japan is a mix of prudish and extravagent behaviors with sex right now, and many Hentai artists draw what can be construed as children having sex, but it's hard to pinpoint what the age of the character is by body type.

Many characters over 18, again hard to say solidly, have childlike bodies. Same goes for fanart, fanfiction stuff, contrary to the artists intention of a character being underage; it's still in the reader's interpretation as to the age of the characters they are looking at.

Same goes for adult-like body types; it'snot hard for someone to pretend they are overdeveloped minors.
Nevermind that most anime is filled with frontal nudity and fanservice in the normal stuff, no genitals, which seems to be a line in the argument of porn vs not.

Classifying drawn materials as illegal or child porn is a fine line to draw, for that reason alone, if the person wants to see them as child sex objects, they will.

Everyone remeber the debacle with Traci Lords?
You can probably still find her first movies at obscure legal porno shops. Someone had to have a good clean copy to upload it to the internet, and it's technically child porn...well, it IS child porn.
Sure she lied about her age to get into porn, but I'd guess that people who bought the films in the 80s still have and watch them, likely oblivious to her actual age even now.
...this is a bad example in hindsight...

The point I'm trying to make is, that even if it's not meant to be bad, someone will make it bad.



posted on Feb, 23 2010 @ 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by CanadianDream420
It still won't be acceptable to the mass public and those who process such filth will be dealt with... without a court of law.

Well said,and I will be first in line to pull the trigger on these kind vermin!



posted on Feb, 23 2010 @ 03:19 PM
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In my opinion,anyone who gets sexually excited over a child,
should be taken away somewhere and castrated.The same
treatment for those who think child porn should be legalized.

People,with this mind set,are sick,twisted individuals.They should
be taken out of society and dealt with appropriately.I would also
recommend turning these individuals over to the parents of their
victims.



posted on Feb, 23 2010 @ 03:36 PM
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I propose an experiment... (Though obviously one that I would never actually want carried out)

To take a girl, a year or two below the age of consent relative to the country the test is done in. Take a pornographic image of this girl, and now show it to numerous adults and tell them she is at the age of consent.

I wonder how many would find it sexually appealing....I'm betting a great many.

Then tell them the age and see how many can still bare to look at the picture when they realise it is only a child and not an adult they see... it's a social thing more than a sexual thing. You can still find the child sexually attractive, you just choose not to when you know it's a child because soceiety says it is wrong.

(This is of course using child in the technical sense... and any more than a few years under the age of consent would be entirely different. A 7 year old girl LOOKS 7... a 16 year old girl can look 18)



posted on Feb, 23 2010 @ 03:48 PM
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Originally posted by StevenDye
Then tell them the age and see how many can still bare to look at the picture when they realise it is only a child and not an adult they see... it's a social thing more than a sexual thing. You can still find the child sexually attractive, you just choose not to when you know it's a child because soceiety says it is wrong.


This doesn't need to be done. I have recounted on ATS how a friend of mine was nearly prosecuted because he went to a night club, which only admitted people over 18 and hooked up with a girl. He discovered later she was 14.

When i was at school girls of 14 would regularly enter night clubs at the weekend and tell us all about it in the week. Only the most attractive girls in school could do it. Maybe that says a lot about society.

It is very scary to think that 14 year odl can look 20. I never go near nightclubs. Although this is more to do with my hyper sensitivity to sound, but still i wouldn't go near them because of this age thing alone. I would be to scared that the girl i was taking hme would be underage.

[edit on 23-2-2010 by ImaginaryReality1984]



posted on Feb, 23 2010 @ 03:49 PM
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What people think is attractive and sexaully appealling doesn't matter.

The mind and body are not developed for that. The issue isn't if the someone finds my very tall 13 year old sexually appealling. It is that her mind and body are NOT prepared for that, and she has no defenses against a person who has the authority and experience of age.

It is a violation of her core self. It removes from her a decision by screwing with her mind. It puts her body in a place where she can be impreganated - and while she might be ABLE to have a child it is not healthy for her. It puts her in a place where her body can kill her - the individual - by being prompted to do something that is that way because ones genetics of survival are about the survival of the race and don't factor the short term consequences to one person's lifetime.

Her APPEAL doesn't supercede her individual right to the bodily integrity of her person. Except in cultures that see her only as a commodity of culture.

That is what people mean when they say it is culture. Not that there is no harm in those cultures to her. Merely that in those cultures what is GOOD FOR HER doesn't matter a pile of # compared to what is WANTED by somebody with a dick.

Times that same problem by two when the child is a male being abused. He gets revulsion AND no protection.

[edit on 2010/2/23 by Aeons]



posted on Feb, 23 2010 @ 03:51 PM
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Oh I certainly know it is easily done unfortunatly. I have myself had girls try the same, fortunatly my friends knew them through younger siblings and I was able to realise what almost happened and avoid it.

The world is a scary place.



posted on Feb, 23 2010 @ 03:53 PM
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By what is wanted by somebody with a penis...? Clearly you havn't spoken to many 13 year old girls recently, at least not truthfully.

They know what they want and they sure as hell know ways to try and get it. They may not be ready for the consequences...but they certainly 'think' they are ready for 'it'.


That right there is half the trap... and underage girl pretending to be legal...and doing a very convincing job... can lead to a man in jail. Heck even if she admits she is a year or two younger, I would put money on it that many men who say they are nto peadophiles would consider it... even if they then said no.




[edit on 23-2-2010 by StevenDye]



posted on Feb, 23 2010 @ 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by Aeons
What people think is attractive and sexaully appealling doesn't matter.

The mind and body are not developed for that. The issue isn't if the someone finds my very tall 13 year old sexually appealling. It is that her mind and body are NOT prepared for that, and she has no defenses against a person who has the authority and experience of age.


I don't mean to be rude to you but when i was at school girls of 13 were going to clubs and having sex. I am not excusing it because i think they should wait longer and i as a man waited longer, i had the option to have sex earlier and said no. This lead to a bit of ridicule actually but nevermind.

What i am saying is that just because you think your child is not ready does not mean they are not ready. Still i think the UK's age range of 16 is a sensible one.


Still i have a question.

If your 13 year old daughter enters an 18 and over club and has sex then what would you do? Would you blame the man or would you blame your daughter?



posted on Feb, 23 2010 @ 03:56 PM
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[edit on 2010/2/23 by Aeons]



posted on Feb, 23 2010 @ 04:02 PM
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Do you know what having a baby does to a thirteen year old? You live in the richest area of the planet, where they have access to hospitals.

In areas they don't, the physical damage can be quite extensive. Fistulas - where giving birth through a vaginal canal that isn't ready rips your vagina into your rectum so that poop drips from your vagina for the rest of your life.

Or urethras torn so they leak piss. Destruction of the pelvic muscles, leading to prolapsed uterus, and bladders. Ever seen a picture of a woman with her uterus hanging out of her vagina. It is very common in those "cultures" and it is hidden because it is so horribly embarrassing.

Don't let the fact that you live in an Ivory Tower blind you to reality.


Originally posted by StevenDye
reply to post by Aeons
 


By what is wanted by somebody with a penis...? Clearly you havn't spoken to many 13 year old girls recently, at least not truthfully.

They know what they want and they sure as hell know ways to try and get it. They may not be ready for the consequences...but they certainly 'think' they are ready for 'it'.


That right there is half the trap... and underage girl pretending to be legal...and doing a very convincing job... can lead to a man in jail. Heck even if she admits she is a year or two younger, I would put money on it that many men who say they are nto peadophiles would consider it... even if they then said no.




[edit on 23-2-2010 by StevenDye]


[edit on 2010/2/23 by Aeons]



posted on Feb, 23 2010 @ 04:03 PM
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You seem to assume every girl who has underage sex is being abused...when the fact is the majority chose to do it willingly...and continue to do so, and will grow up and lead perfectly normal lives.

I am in secondary school, the young girls are VERY sexualised and speaking to female friends my own age, they knew perfectly well how they were dressing when they were younger. And that was exactly why they did it.



posted on Feb, 23 2010 @ 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by Aeons
Do you know what having a baby does to a thirteen year old? You live in the richest area of the planet, where they have access to hospitals.

In areas they don't, the physical damage can be quite extensive. Fistulas - where giving birth through a vaginal canal that isn't ready rips your vagina into your rectum so that poop drips from your vagina for the rest of your life.

Don't let the fact that you live in an Ivory Tower blind you to reality.


That can also happen to fully grown women....but besides the point.


I don't see how that affects anything? IF the adult knows the girl is udnerage then that is different, and obviously wrong. I am saying that many of these girls know what they 'want' and will easily fool a guy into thinking they are older to get it.



posted on Feb, 23 2010 @ 04:07 PM
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Wanting to be attractive and be in a consensual relations with a BOY - your peer - isn't the same.

Ever take a look at the celebrity men they find attractive? They are men who look like BOYS. They have boy faces, not man faces.

Girls are attracted to BOYS. Their peers. Or fantasy men whom are just mental marionettes.


Originally posted by StevenDye
reply to post by Aeons
 


You seem to assume every girl who has underage sex is being abused...when the fact is the majority chose to do it willingly...and continue to do so, and will grow up and lead perfectly normal lives.

I am in secondary school, the young girls are VERY sexualised and speaking to female friends my own age, they knew perfectly well how they were dressing when they were younger. And that was exactly why they did it.




posted on Feb, 23 2010 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by moocowman
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This just goes to show you that once again the people at the top are pedophiles.


For those who are unaware, Harriet Harman is one of the UK MPs involved in the recent "Expenses Scandal" she had put in an expense claim whereby the tax payer paid for her husbands porn !!!! The idiotic woman should not even be in office.

Societies needs to grow up and stop burying their heads in the sand over this subject, it needs open mature discussion which frankly there appears to be more of here than in the public domain.

Above all else I believe that pedophilia although a criminal act (and rightly so) should be publicly investigated as to whether it is a mental illness or not.

In many countries Alcoholism is treated as an illness whereby the alcoholic gets support and treatment, much is known about the subject due to studies eg that it can run in families. So why no serious medical investigation as to why the pedophile acts the way he/she does ?

Could the truth really be that abusers act the way they do because they are themselves victims of this type of abuse ? If this is true then are we not dealing with an illness (perhaps a pandemic) that causes a crime ?

We currently have someone to blame, that is the abuser but if it is really true that the abuser is suffering from an illness of the mind, it makes it difficult to lay blame and confuses the reason to seek justice.

To my mind if you have centuries of sexual repression eventually something will have to give and the demon will have to be let loose, not unlike the situation with the Catholic Church and it's pedophile ring. Move this up a scale to an entire society being very confused or having feelings of guilt in relation to their natural urges and the suppression of them and it has to be time bomb waiting to go off.

Or am I talking out of my arse ?



You said it Moo, (last line)
It was Jacqui Smith's husband, not Harriet Harman's who bought porn at our expense, (recent). It behoves me to repeat what I already have posted somewhere on the first or second page. First the article is a year old, second, the article references a 30 year old story and third, HH was speaking from a legal point of view...that's where her expertise lies. So for god's sake go and read the article, before going on a rant. Remember, someone had to draw up a legal context at the time which would not have much to do with PC's and the internet, etc. How do you think they create 'piggin laws in the first place? It's by suggestion and debate and always never perfect and often reactionary, but at least there are those in power who try. Read the article and try to differentiate between what the reporter says and what is actually said.



posted on Feb, 23 2010 @ 04:13 PM
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If my thirteen year old is going to an 18 year old club, she's going for fun. If she accidentally ends up in a situation over her head and doesn't know how to deal with it she has to live with the consequences.

Do I blame the guy. Nope. But I'll sure hold him responsible to the consequences.

HOWEVER - most of the time it isn't ANYWHERE near as "consensual" as the battery of boys will have you believe.

Many of those girls are LYING. They may engage in some sexualized behaviour, but if they are saying more most are EXAGERATING to impress you with their adultness.

If you choose to be "fooled" as an adult by this, you're doing so to take advantage for your own self - not because you actually believe it.

The boys believe it because it suits them to do so.

Regardless, most of it is lies.



posted on Feb, 23 2010 @ 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by StevenDye

Originally posted by Aeons
Do you know what having a baby does to a thirteen year old? You live in the richest area of the planet, where they have access to hospitals.

In areas they don't, the physical damage can be quite extensive. Fistulas - where giving birth through a vaginal canal that isn't ready rips your vagina into your rectum so that poop drips from your vagina for the rest of your life.

Don't let the fact that you live in an Ivory Tower blind you to reality.


That can also happen to fully grown women....but besides the point.


And it happens WAY more to people who've been had sex or been pregnant before their body is finished developing.

Some of the hardware isn't fully functional. Just because it works doesn't mean its doing what its supposed to yet. Hard for it not to "work" - its a HOLE. It isn't like if it wasn't working fully you'd even KNOW. It is even less likely you'd care.

[edit on 2010/2/23 by Aeons]



posted on Feb, 23 2010 @ 04:22 PM
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Most of you would disagree with this but that's fine. I support child porn becoming legal. Not legal that they can make the stuff.. Uh ok, needs to be looked at but in some cases, more care should be taken on the subject.

The way I see the situation is that porn satisfies the craving for the real thing. If left unsatisfied then the urge for the real thing becomes a lust. Which can happen with porn, but not quite as much I'm sure.

I'm not a pedophile but I definitely look at porn some days to stop me jumping the fence on my lover.

Don't rage, that's just what I think at the moment... It may be sick to think people are attracted to children, but it's not so unusual realistically. I can understand it.....




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